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mint @mintexists12/6/2023, 7:55 PM

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Gay Eminem on 9/11 @DecayWTF12/6/2023, 7:42 PM

It's really astonishing that FTP is being deprecated with no adequate replacement. SFTP is not a replacement because it necessarily piggybacks on SSH and it's not reasonable to provide it as a standalone service, HTTP PUT/WebDav is not a replacement because it's not a file transfer protocol but a bag on the side of a web server and it has significant performance problems compared to FTP for the basic function of "uploading a file", SCP is the same problem as SFTP but worse...

frankie boyle's beanbag chair of death @micolithe12/6/2023, 7:50 PM

As someone who supports file transfers for like 70% of my job responsibilities: SFTP is the best option even if it is imperfect.

FTPS, if it weren't needlessly complicated (we have like 3 ftps connections at work and they all give us production problems regularly) has potential but it's really just introducing certificates into a protocol that wasn't designed for it.

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@aune12/6/2023, 7:43 PM

You're supposed to just deploy a new docker image now or something 🙃

Gay Eminem on 9/11 @DecayWTF12/6/2023, 7:45 PM

I am going to become the joker. I am also going to continue to run FTPS as long as there's anything that supports it.

@aune12/6/2023, 7:48 PM

Running nginx isn't safe or scalable, you need to be nodemaxxing your kates on the fly

Gringo Starr @pc98jr12/6/2023, 7:45 PM

SFTP is honestly the closest to a reasonable replacement that is available, even if it isn't "reasonable" it is doable. The best option is still the best option, even if it sucks.

@aune12/6/2023, 7:51 PM

In all seriousness webdav is one of the worst things I've ever had to work on and I want it to die but uggggggh on ftp going away

dead flag blues custom stepmania chart @MxSelfDestruct12/6/2023, 8:08 PM

being deprecated by who...? is this just an industry-wide trend or is the W3C/whoever rumbling about it?

Gay Eminem on 9/11 @DecayWTF12/7/2023, 1:16 AM

It's just being killed off, support for it is being gradually removed from major programs, major FTP file services are being shut off and the IETF hasn't accepted any standards-track RFCs to modernize it since 2000

Morning Song @MorningSong12/6/2023, 8:15 PM

I literally cannot comprehend how they never did the same thing as HTTPS, but with FTP. Just pipe it through an SSL connection. it's fine.

dead flag blues custom stepmania chart @MxSelfDestruct12/6/2023, 8:18 PM

isn't FTPS basically that?

chaos gf @zip12/6/2023, 8:58 PM

In terms of widespread usage I’d say timing. sftp was good enough, FTP’s a messy protocol due to its age, and now most everyone’s moved to shit like rclone, rsync or git for the use-case of making a remote filesystem match a local one, or to straight up HTTPS for the use-case of downloading a single big file.

Still, FTPS dates to 2005 and is designed to do an inline negotiation and upgrade to TLS mode. I’d be unsurprised if your FTP client isn’t just quietly doing this for you without mentioning it.

Gay Eminem on 9/11 @DecayWTF12/7/2023, 1:12 AM

FTPS works fine and it meets very different use cases than git/rsync/etc, but no, a lot of ftp clients don't support FTPS well or at all

chaos gf @zip12/7/2023, 1:14 AM

That's disappointing. I agree it meets very different use-cases, it's just that I suspect those aren't common ones.

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