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NoelBWrites
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In BG3 I had to sit there and click through a bunch of options every step of the way in order to fuck the squid guy, and each option was concerned with the emotional and sensory experience of fucking the squid guy. Like you had to choose to grab his tentacle, decide if you wanted to kiss or caress it or part the tentacles to find a mouth, decide that you wanted to keep going, decide how you were feeling about it, etc. It was a tender scene that did not shy away from eroticism, even if it was played slightly for comedy at the end (your companion's reactions when it turns out they could totally see you fucking the squid guy)

In Cyberpunk 2077 I got pretty much ambushed with a sex scene with some random hot corporate/military lady that was a few minutes of me looking at the screen, bored out of my mind while aggressive guitar riffs played and virtual titties glowed in the pink neon light, almost disembodied because there's so many camera cuts to keep up with the aggressive guitar riffs. Like I thought I was picking up a quest from this NPC I met exactly twice, for a previous quest, but no, it's just the "reward" of... an extremely vanilla sex scene but trying really hard to look kinky. The hot lady has vinyl tape over her nipples, you see. There's a dildo on the floor of the motel. Nevermind that the only things implied in this scene are her going down on you and... idk, scissoring I guess? Wow, so adult, what a mature game, how transgressive... It isn't even a rare or unique thing to experience in this game, you get the exact same scene with any "joytoy" (that's what sex workers are called here) you choose to hire off the street.


NoelBWrites
@NoelBWrites

Okay so in BG3 you can go to Hell and fuck a succubus, but in exchange, the succubus gets to keep your image and use it to fuck whoever. The catch is that you will feel when you're being "used" in this way, it can happen at any time and you'll have no say about it. Obviously, this concept alone is hornier than any number vinyl-taped boobs. However, a less horny game would have just stopped there. Or would have made this into an unmitigated power/desirability fantasy of your character being just so hot all the hot devils in hell are irresistibly attracted to you and isn't that fun and hot. But BG3 understands that the reason losing agency is a kink is... the loss of agency, being a plaything whether you want it or not. So you get your companions worried about the deal you just made. You even have a moment where your character actually feels someone doing something and it's treated as inconvenient, almost embarrassing. Astarion, if nearby, will actually comment on that and offer emotional support because he knows what it's like to be someone else's plaything.

Contrast with Cyberpunk's "dolls." In Night City there's a brothel that has its workers implant "behavioral chips" so that an algorithm matches a client with a "doll," and then the chip takes over and makes them act in whatever way the algorithm decided would fulfill the client's deepest desires. Once the encounter is over, the chip releases control and the doll goes back to being a person, with no memory of the encounter. Now while I was doing whatever quest nearby, I can hear two NPCs talking about it. One is perplexed because it's so much more expensive to pay for a session at this brothel than it is to get an actual doll with super advanced behavioral programming or whatever, since the worker has no input and won't remember anything anyway. The other NPC explains that this is different because it's "actual flesh" and not just "cold latex," which the first NPC rejects because it feels the same (this is the future) and they argue about the minutiae of actual skin vs. plastic skin vis-à-vis sexual feedback.

This is so stupid I feel like I shouldn't have to point this out but... both drone kinks and hypnotism kinks are a thing that would perfectly map to this concept of "dolls" in cyberpunk. The thing that makes "dolls" appealing is not that "they feel more real than latex" is that they are actual people with all of their agency removed for the sake of sexual pleasure. That's what people would pay for in the world of Cyberpunk. These aren't even kinks that do much for me but even I can see why they're a thing?? The objectification of a person is the actual kink served here, but the game doesn't fucking realize this or tries to ignore it entirely, in which case... why is this even in the game in the first place? It's just the most boring way to say "this is the future and it's gritty, which means people FUCK and PAY for SEX but in a FUTURISTIC way. We live in a SOCIETY. BOTTOM TEXT."


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in reply to @NoelBWrites's post:

yeah like the squid fucking? A genuinely erotic scene that then is played for laughs. But the scene does not flinch or use humor to "hide" from the eroticism.

CP2077 is a pubescent kid knowing that they're supposed to find tits hot or whatever so they repeat all the time how hot they think tits are so that they don't feel embarrassed in front of the older more experienced kids (that also have no experience with tits)

in reply to @NoelBWrites's post:

and also they were not trying to appeal to the broadest common denominator with every sex scene. Most people are not going to be into squid fucking (or bear fucking, etc) but the scenes are still there because they make sense if your character makes the choices that lead you to specific scenes.

in reply to @NoelBWrites's post:

Yes! I feel like I have an even longer post in me about how actual eroticism necessitates vulnerability and earnestness in a way that market-safe media never does (because by definition, it needs to be safe). But "mature" and "adult" media still relies on sex as a signifier of maturity, so it just gestures at the idea of eroticism by showing all the things the mainstream has marked as "sexy," but devoid of all the context that would actually make those things sexy

you've already said everything that needs to be said about it but i think this also extends to the ads you see around the game. the ones that are intended to be sexual are genuinely eyeroll-worthy to me; basically the equivalent of something screaming SEX SEX SEX in your face 🫠

I'm so basic in sexual stuff, and haven't played either of these games, but your analysis somehow marks on something I have questioned stuff I thought was just a me thing. Thanks for sharing! Still a virgin tough

Glad you enjoyed my writing!

I hope my posts don't sound like having more sexual experience or even being kinkier is objectively "better" or "more mature"

What I think is immature, in the case of Cyberpunk, is gesturing at sexual things without actually being interested in exploring those things

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