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The most insane part of a lot of media that supposedly takes place in the rural south is the lack of environmental storytelling that would lead you to believe that it's truly southern if you're from down there. One of the biggest things that feels offputting about like, places that supposedly are in rural Georgia or what have you is that there's no fucking Kudzu anywhere.

Kudzu is a type of invasive vine that comes from different parts of east Asia. "Kudzu" comes from the Japanese name for the plant (クズ). It's been around since the 30's, in the wake of irresponsible farming practices in the American South, where it was planted as a way to keep the soil from eroding. It grows extremely fast (~12in/day, or 30cm/day), and, as seen in the images attached, can climb basically anything it puts its mind to.

I need you to understand that there was dead Kudzu that once threatened to swallow the train station I left Virginia from. It was everywhere. It ate trees, it ate entire patches of forest. It would eat towns if not for the asphalt that prevented it from making meaningful ground and the people tilling it back.

Nothing killed it. It ate houses. It ate a house I lived next to for years because the last family moved out and no one lived there anymore. And this is hardly ever represented in like... games, shows, etc. I understand why at a certain point; it's such dense, ridiculous foliage to render for video games and only people like me who grew up around it would understand, especially when swampland is much more iconic to the deep, deep south and easier to render. When people think deep south heat, they think of getting ate by mosquitoes in the middle of a Louisiana swamp unless they're from down there.

But I feel like if you're gonna represent the inland rural south, kudzu is just part of the deal. I didn't grow up in Louisiana, I grew up around tobacco fields and forests where people shot deer for a living if they weren't working the farm. That's never really represented in the average religious horror experience, for example. I'd like for it to be at some point.

There's something to be said about thematic topics of this unstoppable beast of a vine that will grow and destroy everything in its path for the sake of more sunlight. Gluttonous and all-consuming, it's an invasive species-- when it smothers trees, it's stealing the sun and air from them. Swathes of dead vine covering hills and houses and trees are an iconic part of living in the smaller towns down there- right next to fancy stone brick roads and modern shipping hubs. It is indomitability corrupted. That a now-natural part of the part of the world I grew up in isn't represented commonly bothers me, if only just a little bit.


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I lived in Atlanta as a kid in the late '80s-early '90s, it was wild to see buildings get swallowed up by this stuff and I can't imagine how much more pervasive it's gotten in the decades since then

A lot of the conservation efforts of the late 1800's and early 1900's were a classic example of a road to hell paved with good intentions, it seems. There was just a lot we didn't understand about the long term consequences of introducing species endemic to other parts of the world and the standards for diligent testing were low

Unsure, the cursory glance I looked over at the etymology of the word (especially in Kanji form, 葛) seems to entirely refer to the plant. If it's related, it's a more recent/niche development. I did learn that 葛 can be read as かづら, or "creeping plant," so there's at least a bit of lineage further backward there.

I have no nostalgia for Georgia's regional culture, got out shortly after graduating college, but could you set an absolutely killer game like Norco in Georgia with kudzu as major metaphor and active plot device? Hell yes you could.

The only game I've ever seen seen kudzu in is a single part of Red Dead Redemption 2's map where it just absolutely devastates some areas on the edge of the swamp. Total overgrowth. That's not from an attempt at erosion control, just it growing naturally

Frankly I was kinda surprised to see it at all with how little it shows up in things

God yes. I remember as a little kid being able to walk down to a creek out back of my grandpa's place in South Carolina, and through the years it became a more and more harrowing traipse through the kudzu. Felt like it would swallow you whole and no one would ever find you. Got to the point where it was about to swallow his farm plot when the pesticide campaign kicked in. Fortunately it seems to have been gotten under control enough that the state just trusts the goats to keep it from reestablishing itself.

the southern reach trilogy by jeff vandermeer never explicitly says that it's set in the southern united states (in fact, it never explicitly says what country it's set in at all), but it is heavily implied by a number of things, and the thing that tipped me off the most was the description of places being swallowed by kudzu in "authority"

I live in Richmond VA and yeah, the stuff is EVERYWHERE. It feels like it's threatening to take over the city at any moment. Those and mimosa trees. It's a shame they're also invasive because I think they're actually pretty cute! Alas.

As someone that grew up there, I do appreciate everything getting very green during the summer. The sea of green everywhere is great ~8 months of the year, I love it.

And then it all dies every winter and everything turns brown and I hate it. I've also never had to remove it from my own land, I looked it up once and it sounds just terrible, no good, awful.