mrhands

Sexy game(s) maker

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I do UI programming for AAA games and I have opinions about adult games


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lexyeevee
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  • youtube gives up (good ending). i mean it's a handful of people who are just doing this for a job because some PM is breathing down their necks, versus an entire planet of people with a burning passion for annihilating ads. it's unclear how long they can keep this up. i'm sure higher-ups thought about this and think they can commit to it, but as a dev, i can't imagine a more soul-sucking task than "force people to look at a thing we already know they don't want to look at. also you'll have to change how it works every day because they'll have found a way to stop looking."

    in this case it's unlikely anyone will try it again, at least for a long time. remember, youtube took down ie6; if they can't take down adblock, then no one can

  • youtube wins (bad ending). either the people with the technical chops get tired of being in the middle of a war, or youtube comes up with something incredibly clever, or they do the stupid freevee thing and just encode the ads right into the stream.

    and then in this scenario, people en masse just give up and watch the ads.

    now every other website sees that it can be done, that they can get away with it. they will all follow suit. the whole web will become a clusterfuck of ever-changing adblock evasions that no one can keep up with. (and remember, google serves a huge amount of the ads on the web!) adblock will still limp along, but it will be hit-or-miss forever

  • they win but not how they wanted (weird ending). basically the same thing happens, up until:

    people can't bear the ads, and can't block the ads, so they just stop watching youtube. there is a diaspora to other smaller platforms, maybe new and novel ones. perhaps we watch video less overall, and as a society become less shackled to the pipe of endless Content™ sludge. fifteen megacorps watch their bottom line plummet, the economy crashes, and we all become free

i've been paying for premium for like a year though so i have no idea how it's going atm


mrhands
@mrhands

And it's not the one you think.

This video (smartly) argues that YouTube pays creators way too much for what they get out of it. The offering on YouTube tends to be lower quality than even bottom-of-the-barrel reality TV, which we collectively put up with because it's free. But this puts YouTube in a bind. Nobody is paying for YouTube Premium because there's no premium paid content worth your money on the platform. Why pay €$12/month for Premium when you can pay €$8/month for Netflix, €$5/month for Prime, or €$3/month for Disney+? Those platforms (allegedly) have stuff worth watching and with higher production values to boot.

The only sensible thing for YouTube to do here is to squeeze video makers on their revenue share. But since they don't want to do that for whatever reason, they've instead decided to wage war on those stupid nerds and their goddamn adblockers. They'll probably win this since most people don't care, and it will be disastrous for their ad revenue in the long term. But who gives a shit since number must go up this quarter, etc.


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I'll be honest, this:

i've been paying for premium for like a year though so i have no idea how it's going atm

Worth considering if this is the 4th outcome they're hoping for. After all, from their perspective, Youtube is an absolutely bottomless well of "content" that users are getting absolutely free ... but they'll fork over 15 bucks a month for Netflix's rapidly dwindling library of cancelled shows?

If they do manage to successfully destroy adblock and get everyone to sign up for premium, it's only a matter of time before they start ad-spamming the premium users, too. As a treat.
Corpos by default will nickle and dime people because if they're making one less cent off of every user, they aren't making enough.

that might get me to stop using YouTube entirely, personally. i currently use it with a premium subscription. if they add in ads even there, ill probably just grab a nebula subscription and be content with that and my existing dropout sub.

the whole web will become a clusterfuck of ever-changing adblock evasions that no one can keep up with

thinking about how aaa games are like this already with everything being churned through the denuvo obfuscater

we've been paying for premium for a while now, since my partner uses it mostly as background noise for ADHD reasons and they only watch it on an Apple TV or the app on an iPad, so no working adblock on those. I tried to get PiHole working at one point but it was never reliable and it was one more fucking thing to deal with

considering that it's probably running for about eight to ten hours a day in our household, it's not a bad deal. occasionally I set it up to just play through some creator's entire playlist while I do something else with the sound off, since views by premium users generate more $$$

but the moment they start forcing ads on paid subscribers, like Amazon and Netflix are doing, we are absolutely out

pihole (and other DNS-based adblock technologies) can't do anything to youtube ads because they're served from the same domain as regular ads. youtube ads are literally just normal youtube videos that the player is instructed to switch to midstream.

SmartTube is amazing on Android TV at least

i think this is just a temporary offense by them to get some amount of people to convert to premium, some higher up guy can happily say they improved their key performance indicator of selling more premiums and walk away with a bonus. then they stop caring, just like with all the chat apps

the real moment of truth will likely be chrome finally moving to manifest v3. as much as they've postponed it, it will eventually happen, and as far as i know, the restrictions put on the mv3 version prevent this kind of blocking almost entirely as every change to the filter lists requires google approval. there is no "quick fixes" system they can use for lite, and it's mighty convenient that google will be in charge of both breaking the filter and approving the fixed filter

people have already demonstrated that they will stick with chrome no matter how much evil google does, and they are sure as hell going to capitalize on that sooner or later

pessimistically, as people haven't entirely stopped watching cable TV with all it's baked-in advertisements... i don't think baking ads into the stream would stop people from using YouTube. not as long as there aren't any real competitors offering anything better

especially considering how many people just don't know how to use an ad blocker to begin with

I legitimately don't even know how to predict this without the full sociological and/or technical chops, but...

I have seen someone float the idea of like a honeypot authenticator. That is, all the code loads into a dummy browser and the scrubbed code gets passed to what the user sees. That way the goog -thinks- it's serving the ads, while the data gets poisoned in the process since no one's actually seeing them.

I don't personally think it'll be that pretty, but one can dream.

(Though I'd love to see that get rolled into Firefox to try and wrestle some market share back since Alphabet products are increasingly hot garbage)

Some how my preferred (had it for like 5+ years I'm too lazy to change) choice of ABP has been fully unaffected by youtubes adblock-block besides videos trying to load an ad 5 seconds but only mustering a black screen until my video plays

I think it's going to be a stalemate, same as it was for a long time. 80/20 rule - they'll become good enough at blocking adblockers that they get adds to the most non-savvy 80% of viewers, but people who really want to can still get around it.

That's how it was for the longest time. For most people, even just installing an adblocker was too much, so most people saw ads, even though it wasn't hard to block them. Now we're at the next step - getting an adblocker is no longer a big barrier so "everyone" does it, but getting past the adblocker-blocker is a step too far (but still not that hard - updating ublock origin filters or whatever). So the net result is the same - people who know their way around their computer can get the ads to be blocked, people who don't get to see the ads.