neckspike

contemplating a crab's immortality


staff
@staff

hi folks! jae here, we know it's been a bit since the last financial update but there's been a lot going on behind the scenes that has made getting one out before now difficult. I don't want to get too deep into it, so I won't.

as a bonus, this month's update is a double feature. we'll be going into detail on some of our launch plans for tipping. there's going to be some limitations at launch while we work out some of the trickier bits and we want to make sure everyone's on the same page about what to expect.

but first: numbers! please refer to past financial updates for context on all terms.


zlchxo
@zlchxo

"recent tumblr migrations" alright what shitstorm did i miss two months ago


neckspike
@neckspike

automattic gave up on tumblr turning a profit and moved most of the employees to projects that actually make money except for a minimal trust and safety crew. This prompted another wave of user migrations.

I don't blame them for throwing in the towel, tumblr is a massive moneypit. It cost something like 30 mil a year to run and made i forget what he said like 30k back or possibly 300k? I think it was 30k tho. Staffing costs will be massively reduced with the reorg which will take a chunk out of that 30mil but I'm sure it's still a big expense. I give them props for trying so long but the codebase is a mess and communicating anything to users was handled very poorly on top of the moderation issues, reporting system abuse, and the dire cultural problems in some parts of the userbase.

I still like the format of tumblr which is one of the things that attracted me to Cohost, and I hope Cohost makes it to sustainability! They're way closer to that than Tumblr ever was at last financial report.


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Given we don't have official site-specific names for Liking and Sharing they will probably launch as Tipping and Subscriptions... which would honestly be funnier because then there will be another generation of community in-jokes about what funny name they should have gotten, like Rebugging

our read of terms and discussion with payment processor policy people is that tipping should be entirely unimpacted. we want to have alternate payment processors in place for subscriptions so that users who want to have adult content behind a paywall can select a payment processor that allows for that sort of thing. we're not currently sure if this will be available at launch for subscriptions and we'll have more to share here down the road.

I'm pretty interested in the tipping/subbing system; kinda curious if it'll be easier to continue tosend support to folks that I already help through here, and support my local ovo-insectoid, too!

I think it’s entirely for convenience and as a building block for subscriptions later on. Never underestimate how much money you can get from it being convenient to send you money.

Anonymity. Some of us don’t want our legal name/location exposed and ko-fi exposes both because it uses PayPal and Stripe.

I literally can’t accept donations or tips right now because of this.

Anonymity and ko-fi notably monitors your off site activity and will ban you for crossing their guidelines for activity on other websites. See: posting adult material, being outspoken about certain current events, etc.

So wait, no paypal launch for even US tips?!?

Like… uh, do you really expect us to give you credit card information for payment processing instead via tips? Kofi allows paypal. Seems silly to not have that be a standard for security. Subscriptions/tipping in general seems like an odd thing for the site to do when you could just toss a kofi link then and there so idk, I guess I’ll have to see what the benefits are vs kofi, especially if there’s no paypal support right away

Processing fees will be paid by recipient unless sender offers to cover them. I was wondering about who handles 1099 paperwork but it looks like Stripe and Paypal handle that.

oh thanks, i misread

The user sending the tip has the option to add on a bit extra to cover payment processing fees (especially useful for tips under $5) and an extra $1 to help support the platform (a dollar for eggbug).

and thought it implied cohost would be taking on processing fees. gtk

Oh I hope so much that cohost overtakes patreon, if not in general at least for the folks already on this site. The recent(ish) changes that patreon did continue to rub me the wrong way, but it seems like there isn't a particularly good equivalent out there yet.

  1. will there be the ability to disable the ability for people to send me tips? (i receive social security and any non-earned income i receive is then taken out of my social security payment.)
  2. please do call it eggbux

When it comes to subscriptions, I know a lot of peeps who use Patreon subs or Twitch subs as a Discord access toll. Are there plans for some kind of API we can have a bot plug into to pull subscriber info? Though for that to work users would need to be able to link their cohost and discord accounts and that's even more additional work on y'all's part.

i believe the other programmer on the team is working on an API users can utilize. I'm unsure if active subscription status would be included in that API initially, but I could see that being considered and potentially added later if it's a suggested feature.

Thank you for all the work you do <3 All of you <3 Developing, and improving, and maintaining this wonderful site. It's felt like a new home for me and for that I'm forever grateful =u= I may not often have cash but if I ever have a few extra bucks laying around y'all are where I'd like to send them. Take care, and good luck going forward ^u^

It’d be so exciting if Cohost ends up becoming a viable Patreon competitor. The standards and principles this site tries to live up to are so much better than what you get from profit-motivated sites

Tipping is a ko-fi-like system where users can send each other money.

Will the tipper and tippee see each other's first and last name like they would on Ko-Fi?

Subscriptions is a patreon-like system where users can accept money monthly.

Considering the way other platforms (tumblr, itch.io, etc.) have cracked down on NSFW content (for reasons that may or may not come down to "most popular payment processors do not want pornography"), it needs to be said how y'all are gonna handle this considering, uh, gestures to the worlds of horny shit.

in reply to @neckspike's post:

i looked into this since then and i think he said it cost $50m and made $20m? which is more than $30k but does beg the question of why they're bothering with it. also had no idea the code is in a mess, i guess that makes a bit of sense.
i have a lot of respect for tumblr especially back when it was easily one of the best website creation type tools that also had a whole social network attached to it, and honestly i think that's still one of its biggest strengths, but i don't think its initial design philosophies lend themselves well to trying to be the algorithmic content farm the mainstream demands, and in trying to accommodate everyone it makes tag search a pretty weak feature. hopefully cohost can grow to mostly supplant tumblr on just about everything but the website thing

I think it was 30k from user purchases of merch and tumblr mart (crabs, ad-free) specifically, it was very little. If they're bringing in 20m even with the chumbox ads they run then cutting staffing to 25% may make that sustain itself.

Considering how bad the support experience was at full staffing I'm not tempted to go back.

i can't find that figure. i have to wonder if you're thinking of, like, just the merch, because it seems like people were buying their badges and sometimes blaze, at least at a rate more than fucking $30k a year would suggest.

but yeah i have no experience with automattic's support so i can't opine there, i am curious though what you mean (other than the lgbt/adult stuff) and will also comment that tumblr has survived being a wild west before and if they can keep enough advertisers happy that's probably enough

ohhh i do remember tumblr live though, that was funny lol. what a grave misunderstanding of what brings people to tumblr

I had a stalker(s) astroturfing a campaign to smear me as a pedophile using anonymous asks which they can't/won't do anything about even though it was relatively easy for me to find the probable ringleader without any access to tumblr moderation tools, and my account was suspended with no explanation and I had to find a back channel through reddit to get that fixed, still no explanation of why. Getting brigaded by TERFs happened several times and again, they can't or won't do anything about it. Extremely PVP enabled site.

Like it's a lot to moderate, I'm sure! And at times blocking just... didn't really work? I would see original posts by people I mutually blocked get rbed into my feed and could still see their blog even though that shouldn't work.

It desperately needs to be rewritten from the ground up without the detritus of 17 years of code changes and aborted features.

Also people just need to chill the fuck out and block each other. I'm fine with being blocked! It's good! Anyone who doesn't like me for any reason at all should block me and never let me darken their timeline again.

And not long after I got my account back they rolled out the new UI that was a copy of Twitter and I was just like "y'know what, why am I spending so much effort on modifying this website to be usable." and then I stopped.