thecatamites
@thecatamites

i know fantasies are fantasies but it's kind of funny to me that the image of recasting yourself as like this silver-tongued amoral pragmatist grifter has remained so attractive despite exposure to the likes of martin shkreli and crypto weasels and all the other versions of what that looks like in real life, which is as something not just "morally wrong" but also like, viscerally unappealing and unglamorous.. and it survives as fantasy in part bc it's so fitted for the world those guys helped to make, but also because it kind of repudiates them by presenting that condition as something rogueish and exceptional instead of the bleakly universal state of affairs it is. it's like there's something uncanny about how charmless that stuff is in practice and so fantasy has to work harder than ever to fill the gap.


nex3
@nex3

I think part of this also is that in the fantasy it's never truly as amoral as it's made out to be. The grifter rogue always has a heart of gold as much as they try to deny it, and the people they grift are always somehow detestable—those with money or power, those who are grifters themselves, those who who are cruel or even just hubristic. This is a mandate of the narrative. Real grifters make their ducats not by big cons of big targets, but at scale: they drain a little bit of money from a lot of poor and desperate people, amortizing their exploitation across thousands and thousands of tiny sins.


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yeah it's like these guys are aware of their own paltriness and try to overcome it by hamming things up. talking like a guy 10 seconds away from being shot to death with aerosmith cds in Revolution X

Do kids grow up wanting to be Martin Shkreli? I suspect what you're looking at isn't normal people fantasizing about recasting themselves as amoral grifters but our vast preexisting class of amoral grifters fantasizing about becoming successful ones. For every Trump there's a million timeshare salesmen and cops who're exactly the same guy but not powerful enough to get away with doing whatever their id leads them to, the crypto ape dudes are just Wall Street traders writ small and sad.

They don't but I've definitely seen broke, kind and normal people fantasize aloud about the idea of reinventing themselves as a more fictionalised dgaf charming grifter character and what interests me here is specifically the contrast between those two ideas