nomnomnami

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waking up to fight my fans defend my writing decisions
(this post is treat spoilers but not for any content that hasn't already been released)


since chapter 7 came out there's been a recurring sentiment that moxie deserves better girlfriends, and it's tough because i think the epilogue will solve this issue for people but the epilogue is realistically not coming out for like a year or two, so we are in limbo until then.

early treat... is not that complex. my writing now is different than it was in 2016 when the first 3 chapters came out. part of this is also just the characters having a lot of time kickin around in my head... they're stewin in there... marinating in the flavors...! what i have to say sadly boils down to "JUST WAIT AND TRUST ME YOU GUYS" but like, i also recognize that if i haven't communicated the intention well enough, that's a failure on my part too.

i've talked about this here before but i'll restate since that post is buried in a large pile of asks. moxie, understandably, has trouble being authentic and honest about her feelings. she will deflect with humor if things get too real, she'll lie even to herself and say she's doing great when her life is in shambles. mochi at this point in the story STILL DOESN'T KNOW THAT MOXIE WAS LIVING IN THE WOODS AFTER CHAPTER 3??????? and maybe she'll never tell her!!!!!!!!! who knows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on paper, moxie hasn't actually spent that much time in treat and mochi's company--meanwhile treat and mochi have been actively living together and hanging out every day. their relationships are on different levels.

chapter 7 is tough because both treat and mochi have a lot on their plate to worry about, so they don't have the emotional space to really pay close attention to how moxie is doing, especially when moxie has consistently told them she's fine. they still reached out to her to invite her on the trip in the first place. they still each have their little moments together. and because moxie KNOWS that they're going through a lot and because she's insecure about whether they even actually like her all that much to begin with (because she's not convinced ANYONE could love her, really!!!) she distances herself and pretends there's no issue.

moxie creates this self-fulfilling prophecy for herself. her mom is horrible to her, her friend group suddenly abandoned her, and her new girlfriends are going through a hard time and she thinks she's the one who STARTED it (back in chapter 2). so she CAN'T open up to them, she doesn't want to seem selfish, and she certainly doesn't want to risk rejection or open herself up to getting abandoned by more people she loves. it'd be too much! so she just lies!!! and because she's not saying anything's wrong, mochi, and treat especially, trust her on that!!!!!!

so, what does this say. that moxie doesn't deserve love until she's honest with her partners? sure, if you want to remove all the nuance. these girls are all like 20, they are not going to have a perfect healthy relationship on what is effectively DAY 2!!!! DAY 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!! of being together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*exhale*

i just think it's more interesting this way.

i think my games have a vibe of being happy and fluffy and everybody talks out their [inconsequential] problems and communicates well etc etc... and it'd be fine if they were. i think some of them certainly ARE really light like that (charm studies comes to mind). so maybe that aesthetic is where the misconceptions are coming from, that if something feels flawed then it was intentional and won't change by the end. and maybe telling a more complex story in an episodic structure inevitably leaves people with unintended impressions of where it's going, because it left off in a little plot valley of "things are not ideal"...

i don't know, there's nothing i can really do about it but have a little yell, because it matters a lot to me. i care about moxie, but she is only just now starting to self-actualize. we are getting there.


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in reply to @nomnomnami's post:

not TOO far since i don't want to do a big timeskip. the plan rn is to just set it right after chapter 8 ends, so probably late fall--there's some potential for time travel though with the insterail :)

I can kinda understand how people can see Moxie as the "third wheel", since it's kind of a stereotype for polyamory relationship.

But I think what some people miss is how Moxie's behavior from Delicacy to the end of Chapter 7 is her actively seeing herself that way, in addition to what you said in the post already.

The context of Chapter 7 is special since everyone has a lot of things to deal with, which is why I think Chapter 5 is the best example regarding how Moxie acts since everyone else is in a good mood at that point.

She always talks about being "between Mochi and Treat" or say things "i should give you some space".
Even when they became girlfriends, Moxie LITERALY TOOK THE ROLE OF A WINGMAN like it was only a thing between Treat and Mochi rather than something involving all three of them.
Mochi herself thanked Moxie for helping Treat open up, but Mochi and Moxie didn't really have a heart-to-heart like with Treat.

Because of this, things be resolved in Chapter 6 or 7 would not make sense, since it'd be weird to say that Mochi and Treat somehow address everything regarding Moxie when in the middle of their own deep-rooted issues.
If they only notice/bring it up a bit in Chapter 5 when everything was relatively ok, they won't be able to see through Moxie in their current state until they find their own closure first.

Treat aside, it's kinda funny that Charm Studies is the example of having a fluffy vibe, given how the epilogue for that one still has some relatively heavy elements (even if it's not the main focus of the story).

it's nice to have this yelling for her! i love moxie and her characteristic, and weird to say "love how she was dealing with her struggle", so i know a part of it is not like an easy thing to resolve, or will never, especially in the dynamic now. there's a lot to go through! i respect the story, as i love all the details have filled in. i love fluffy things, but, because i love fluffy things which have mass itself to hug on!

i think i remember saying something about this when you held your survey. it does honestly make me sad to see her treated like that, specifically the running gag where moxie tries to flirt in silly ways and treat just treats it like it's an annoyance. it's something that hits home for me personally, but i think that attests to your skill as a writer more than anything. you can love someone and still find little behaviors of theirs annoying, it's healthier than romanticizing things that are actually red flags. mochi seems like she really cares for moxie and tries to humor her but treat always just shuts her down and it hurts!!!! but that's what'll make the conclusion so good i think! being able to replay the earlier chapters where moxie has finally let her heart out and you're like WOW her low self esteem was really peaking out like that huh.. her overinflated ego boasting was really just a coverup.. it's easy to get annoyed with someone who is constantly egojerking, and treat isn't a mind reader, so i'm very excited to see how you tie things up here <3 always looking forward to new stuff from you, esp treat rpg!!!!! on the edge of my seat waiting!!!!!!

I think the girl Moxie most deserves to be treated better by is herself.

like yeah Treat and Mochi need to get better at reading her and knowing when something is up, but that takes time and they're already a lot better at that than when they first met.

Moxie on the other hand has spent her entire life learning to understand Moxie and she's still terrible about actually listening to and addressing her emotions.

that's not a condemnation. I am too. it's hard, especially when you learned to shove it down as a survival strategy.