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in reply to @AriaSalvatrice's post:
I couldn't agree more! And additionally, I wish that in addition to "Culture + Sex", we could also have more "Sex + Culture", which is more or less what I'm trying to do with this account :)
in reply to @AriaSalvatrice's post:
yeah, the "unnecessary" and "gratuitous" wording is part of a culture-wide pretense that we don't actually like sex and violence, and that we only allow the amount of blood and cum necessary for the story to work. Which is of course a horseshit excuse to pretend we aren't censoring ourselves and refusing to talk honestly about how sexuality and violence shape our lives.
do you understand, kind stranger, as i think you might, what i mean when i say i can feel this forced participation in a fetish as a palpable and inescapable problem? for me the existence of it is offensive to my body in the same way some fabrics give me the autism
I see that hole you're talking about, and yet I've also seen a lot of stuff that's definitely in the Both quadrant for me. It's just harder to find without exploring the adjacent quadrants.
In FF.Net/AO3 fanfic culture, there's "Porn with Plot." On Itch.io and Newgrounds there are erotic games in original settings that have rather deeply developed worldbuilding.
In general, smut that caters to noncon and transformation kinks often has certain analysis of social roles as an essential part of the smut appeal. Smut that involves well-known blorbos also often involves analysis of their existing personalities and stories, with long-form works sometimes telling an even more profound story than the original.
But just taking recommendations from me probably wouldn't help. What people find artistic value in probably varies a lot based on their personal queerness and kinks and the ways society has repressed them, making it more complicated than just spotlighting one "this is the good respectable literary erotica that belongs in a museum" publisher and calling it a day. If someone seeks people out they have a lot of kinks and hangups in common with, and if they explore the works those people have curated and shared, then they might find those diamonds in the rough.
If someone has trouble sifting through certain kinds of work that are a barrier for them, that approach might not work. In that case, it might be better to use imageboard sites, which often have lots of comprehensive tagging and filtering support. Not that images are everyone's favorite medium for this stuff, especially not for the long-form storytelling I was just talking about.
But they all have in common their indie and anonymous nature, don't they? Low access to monetization, to budgets, to cultural legitimacy.
Oh yeah, I'd say so for sure. Particularly the budget part.
I feel like there still ought to be "cultural legitimacy" to things that don't have a big marketing budget, aren't enshrined in some hall of fame, and aren't mythologized into the meme lexicon. If nothing else, each of us is in a word of mouth marketing network with our own friends, and we have some ability to determine which things are legitimate in our own lives (at the risk of others not accepting them). So I suppose I feel like one way to fill that niche is to find stuff we like that's already in that niche and lend it more legitimacy ourselves, to the extent we can.
And that brings me back to thinking that maybe this stuff is hard to discover except by navigating all the way through the stuff adjacent to it. Maybe all the people who would find it to be worth lending legitimacy to aren't even finding it.