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"ohhh if only all of us voted for Hillary we could've avoided all of this" she won the popular vote. more people voted for her than the other guy. if we lived in a real democracy, that would've been enough. don't blame us!


nicky
@nicky

like, sorry but voting for Clinton in 2016 and voting for Biden in 2024 has the same level of effectiveness. it doesn't fucking matter. the ballot does nothing. we need to work towards real solutions instead of putting all our energy into endless election cycles


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like yeah i'm sure winning the popular vote again will do wonders when a bunch of electoral voters will decide that, no, actually they don't want to honor a Biden vote at the last minute.

not to mention how both candidates were/are deeply unpopular even within their own parties but were pushed as candidates bc of some sort of vague feeling of it being inevitable

I agree. The American government is too badly broken for elections to fix. Even if the Democrats wanted to undo the damage done by the Supreme Court lately—and it's not at all clear to me they're that upset by it, not enough to do anything meaningful about it—it would take decades. Either U.S. authority needs to be circumvented, or it needs to be smashed. ~Chara

Well that's not gonna fucking happen. What are we gonna do, rebel? We're gonna fucking lose after 3 days, and then executed while the right is "justified" into making us illegal outright and making fence sitters finally chose the wrong fucking side.

I don't know that for sure! Speaking for myself here—I don't know enough about the American political scene to make predictions of inevitable defeat. What's the use of predicting inevitable defeat, anyway? That's giving up, despairing, refusing even to think about the matter analytically.

Are you imagining old-fashioned rebellion in the streets, with barricades and weapons? Obviously the times have changed and rebellion needs to be sneakier. I don't know what might work yet—I don't know enough in general.

This is something I see frequently, "all we can do is either vote or armed rebellion" and like, no, there's plenty of options in between. Most of them involve getting involved in local organizations, groups, and networks. A lot of it is volunteering time, money, or stuff, if you have it. For example, you can reach out to a local chapter of Food Not Bombs.
The general thing is: you can fix anything through voting alone. It is not enough.

there is an fucking Amount of scolding on line from liberals who are just so incensed that someone would say voting for the lesser evil seems insufficient.

actually while i was looking for the lib shit i saw that really annoyed me... i found this...

post from nattie winters (utilitylimb) on bsky: in these moments, it's important to remember that liberalism and faux-leftist nihilism are functionally identical; they're vultures with a vested interest in scolding you for believing a better world is possible.

god nattie that's so true. what a good post.

i am so fucking with you though on your original point

i am completely fine seeing libs getting hyped up about working within the system to turn this shit around. someone has to do it. i'm all for the fact that annoying liberals of various stripes all have a place in the greater project; people are most convinced and most easily taught by people who are a little further along than they are. who knows, those inspirational disney speeches are probably reaching someone.

but i am absolutely fucking beyond over seeing them expend their energy making shit up about what leftists mean when they point out that voting isn't working so good. just wasting away their precious irrecoverable drops of life punching left. making up a grotesque image of the most useless tankie doomer they can conjure up in their monochromatic internal apple-rotator and projecting it onto everyone who suggests that there is more work beyond what they themselves are talking about.

i don't love the feeling i get thinking about our dismantled democracy or the dismantled regulatory state or the judicial coup or or or but someone has to fucking grapple with those. that means someone has to talk about them who isn't doom spiraling, and if someone liberal enough or exhausted enough that they've run of ideas for addressing these things they should (and this is going to sound both harsh and difficult to do but it's important) shut the fuck up, or perhaps better yet stop being listened to and not encouraged.

it's the social media negativity feedback loop again tbh. the main non-individualist solution i have to this is, i guess, to address their behavior directly and at a high level and telling them to cut it out, or just not engaging; whatever works. actually, i gotta say ventily thinking through this has kinda shed some light on it for me.

what gets me about the north american liberal fandom is that they're always high on "voting will make a difference :)" while the candidate in question trails bloody footprints everywhere and calls everyone who wants anything to get better an immature child asking for a pony

over here in the UK the liberal fandom is 100% aligned with their candidate's "a better world isn't possible" campaign messaging, and are often extremely openly evil.

Like if you talk to a Starmeroid they will tell you at length at why it is stupid for people who live in overcrowded conditions to wish for some social housing policy, because it's more important to use public funds to give solar panel grants to large businesses.

If you talk to a lib dem they will still insist that rubber stamping ATOS disability assessments in exchange for the 5p plastic bag tax was a fair and sensible compromise.

yes. they're aesthetically drenched in hopium here in the us but if you press them on actually achieving anything at all they're just as vicious. the general state of affairs is so grim that they seem to hate being disturbed from a surreal fiction of righteousness and justice they've built up around their decrepit heroes as much as anything. i don't think they're even that different in their openly evil behavior, i think there's just this Fandom built up around their feet that lauds them anyway.