nys

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in reply to @plumpan's post:

Slot 1 P3 always felt weird to me, felt like "P2 with a fresh coat of paint" and not much else. 370 feels like it was the actual, intended P3.

But I'm sure they're very functional now.

It was the first CPU I put into my first custom PC over ten years back. It only cost me $100 for a $600 build. Reviews back then called the entire CPU line trash and I'm pretty sure AMD faced a lawsuit due to false advertising.

For my needs though, it never gave me issues minus some launch bugs. Ran games quite well at the time, was easy to overclock, ran it on the stock CPU cooler no problem, and I got two visual novels developed and released on that system using that crappy CPU.

Using a newly built desktop nowadays (well, over a year old now) with an intel i5 12400 while I work on my third project. That old system with that old CPU is still being used to this day as my mother's current desktop for internet browsing, but I may take it back one day and turn it into a NAS.

I have the exact same experience with the FX line, personally I got an FX-8320E against everyone’s advice of getting a more expensive i3 instead. Sure it wasn’t the best but I think being able to get a GTX 760 instead of a 750 or something from AMD really made the most difference in most games.

nah. it was the 486. before a single chip was printed amd's engineers sent a series of increasingly strongly worded warnings about a major flaw in the maths. intel ignored every single one. when amd turned out to be right intel kludged it by adding a math coprocessor and calling it the 486dx. the pentium had the same flaw as the 486 and they tried to correct it in the same way, math coprocessor.

amd completed all existing contracts for intel but that was it. no more subcontracting. they fixed the problem the correct way and as a result the k5 performed so well that they immediately captured enough of the market to be a major competitor.

i should probably rephrase. yes, the pentium bug did directly influence the k5. also, the pentium bug is a misnomer. it's the 486 bug, really. it was baking in their system for nearly a decade before someone actually solved it correctly which they only did after they cheated off of amd's homework. which they didn't need to do. they could have just read literally any paper amd sent them. it's not like they were hiding their work or anything. lmao

the hubris of intel gave us amd.

Oh yeah, I remember that era well. I associate it with the P4 because that's what I had at the time, but let's be real: the P4 was the heart of the grey era dell shitboxes, and the A64 was for the Gamers.

I had a DFI board back then and UV plastics need to come back. Way better than this RGB nonsense.

if only for nostalgia's sake, i have some FOND memories of gaming on an athlon 64x2 4800+ during circa 2011 to 2014. GOOD times were had playing tf2, gmod, minecraft, portal 2, and skyrim on what-would-have-been a rad fucken gaming pc in 2006 shoved inside a compaq case with the worst airflow known to mankind. literally sounded like a vacuum cleaner.

Pentium 4s from about 2001 onward. The earlier ones in that range had the Windows XP vibes but the later ones are funny. They're a bridge between the old IDE & AGP hardware into more modern stuff and feel anachronistic. Their motherboards have PCIe slots, SATA ports, gigabit ethernet, DDR2 slots, etc. while still being old enough to have PCI, IDE, serial+parallel ports, and a floppy drive connector. In addition, they'll happily run Windows XP with ease (since that's what they're designed for) and can even unhappily run modern Linux and Windows 10 even more unhappily.

I have a Lenovo ThinkCentre from 2004 with a later P4 in it and I care about that machine enough to have bothered replacing a bunch of capacitors on the motherboard. I swapped the disc drive out with a fancy thing that takes a laptop optical drive and has two 2.5" hotswap bays. There's only one 5.25" bay and I still wanted an optical drive. It's funny to watch that thing struggle with modern OSes.

I installed Gentoo on it for laughs. It took 48 hours for the base install, even with a pre-compiled kernel to save time. Installing XFCE took another 24 hours, then installing some more software on top of that took another 3 days. I love that machine. Can talk about it for hours

The Pentium 4 Prescott which ran so ridiculously hot that the cheapskates at Dell got stuck putting 20 square feet of copper on top of it. My parents had one for the longest time. After we threw it out I learned from a CE professor that it was intel's last major attempt to get netburst working (there was a later die shrink but not much more)

Yup! Cedar Mill (the 65nm die shrink) wasn't actually that bad and got the heat back under control but Intel realized they weren't on the right path by then and were already shifting gears. They overclocked pretty good too, if you could deal with the heat!

My first CPU was also a Prescott and realizing it kinda sucked pushed me a bit into learning more about CPUs to not make that mistake again lol

Can’t decide the actual line because I don’t really care, but just the entire AVR architecture. Gimme 8-bit RISC. Yes I would like 32 8-bit registers. Yes a shift by 8 bits is just architectural register renaming. Fun to program.

in reply to @nys's post:

The whole Phenom 2 era kinda felt like "ok we're a bit behind, what can we do to try and make this work?" and subsequently leading to weird things like, the X3s and very fluid pricing if memory serves. If there had been just a bit more software that could make use of the threads, the hex core phenoms would have been super super good.

The 5600X3D feels like throwing a bone to the enthusiasts. They're super neat and I wish I had even the slightest excuse to go buy one but I can't justify it at all; already have a 3000G sitting around because of that.

... damn I remember the 3000G now. I miss $50 CPUs.

yeah the nice thing about the 5600X3D was that microcenter bundle with b550 + 16gb 3200mhz for $300 total.

i miss current gen cpus not being all within like $20 of each other.

Yeah that's a really good deal. Honestly I think with some planning right now, one could actually build a really good gaming focused PC for 600-700 again. For the first time in ages. Just have to avoid the newer platforms because they're crazy expensive.

I miss the "overclock this cheap part instead of buying the way more expensive one" days but the need to upgrade as frequently is also gone so it's give and take I suppose. Part of me has been really tempted to swap from a 3000 to 5000 series just to squeeze more life out of the platform and get way better efficiency, but I'm just as interested in sitting on what I've got for way longer than I've ever been able to before.

Yeah NAND is so cheap right now, budget PSUs aren’t awful, and the intel cards and low end rx7000 are actually pretty good.

I recently got a 5800X3D on sale bc I had an early bad bin 5950 (for gaming it was garbage but I had a real software need for workstation cores at the time for work and they subsidized it) to replace my mediocre bin 3700X, both which just had AWFUL infinity fabric stability (I had to downclock my ram :eggbug-sob:). Now I can’t see myself upgrading for a while, almost want to skip the rest of AM5 cause I’m worried it won’t really last until 2026.

The RX 6000 stuff is REALLY cheap right now, was looking the other day and I think that's where the best price/perf is at, but I'm usually looking low down the scale because I really just never want to pay more than $200 for a GPU nowadays.

Will be interesting to see how AM5 pans out. I don't see the boards getting cheaper and that's the biggest issue for me.... alongside the fact that I do not need anything faster.

Interesting that bad bins are still a thing now, what exactly was it doing? Just awful single core?

On Zen 2 and Zen 3 performance really suffers if your infinity fabric clock (the magic that connects the cores to cache etc) is not half your effective mem frequency. ie if you ran 3600 mhz RAM you needed 1800 fclk or memory access was way worse. At the time I mainly played OW1 which was really dependent on mem freq. 1800 fclk should’ve been achievable for most 3000 and 5000 chips but my 3700X was super unstable and barely stable with the 5950X. Plus the 5950X had two CCDs or groups of cores bc of the chiplet design and early drivers (still an issue with 7950X3D esp) fucked up placing threads from the same program on different CCDs which really increases latency.

Not to mention RAM overclocking on ryzen is pain bc you are tweaking like two dozen small voltages and timings.

I popped the 5800X3D, immediately got a stable FCLK of 2000 and my memory has been sitting pretty at 4000mhz (like it should’ve 2 years ago). I got way more uplift from the upgrade than the benchmarks showed. like 33% more in apex and double in valorant.

What was the difference if you dropped to 1600/3200? I cheap out on ram so I don't quite get to 3600 but really don't game much on this system anyway. Real world it shouldn't have been more than 5% right? (plus the psychological damage of running ram below rated speeds)

The 3D v-cache stuff is exceptionally fast in games, it's crazy just how much of a boost they got in that.

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