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Not to take anything away from the episode's point but 15°C in late August honestly sounds really nice for the SF bay area though Trek is, after all, utopian scifi.


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Rewatched these two episodes and gosh, I simultaneously think the writers deserve a lot of credit for the swings they took, and that they're a great example of the limits inherent in Trek as an ongoing examination of the liberal political imagination. Ultimately, it's heartbreaking how optimistic Past Tense (parts 1 and 2) were: the 2024 they imagined, versus the one we're living through today.

At the heart of the premise is the very common flawed liberal theory of change: one day, something so bad happens that everyone is collectively shocked into finally Doing the Right Thing. In the case of the Bell Riots, it's "hundreds of homeless people are killed by police / the national guard during an uprising" (these casualties are barely shown on camera, but I'll forgive them not having the budget for literal heaps of extras). Whereas today we know that if something like this happened, there would be untold numbers of people whose immediate reaction to the tragedy would be to side with the cops and justify the slaughter. And we know the mainstream news media, whose bread and butter is keeping people terrified of crime and the possibility of their own poverty, would echo that position.

The episodes spend a lot of their dialogue - much of it between Sisko and Bashir, our POV and moral center for the episodes - about how much of an outrageous injustice the sanctuary districts are, and how addressable the social problems seem from their 24th century perspective. But at the same time, after a few scenes of them exchanging platitudes - gosh, society "just stopped caring" - you get the feeling you're watching a horror movie where everyone is strangely unable to name the actual monster. The people in the districts are without jobs because "the economy went bad", but it doesn't really unpack how they went from that to being homeless: as in our real 2024, housing is a market not a human right. Sometime between 2024 and 2371, we know the Federation did away with this market, but narratively we're not heading to and through that moment, it's not the final boss here. The final boss is... an edgy gen X white dude in a hat with an axe to grind, I guess.

But even in depicting the districts' desperation, DS9's writers imagine ration cards, free to anyone who says they're looking for work, that guarantee them food and water at distribution points. Overall, the level of organization and systemic care taken with the sanctuary districts most closely resembles a conservative fantasy of "the nanny state", heavy-handed and administratively complex and resource-intensive, yet accountable to its people, image-conscious, with some good apples who are occasionally able to bend the rules to save a few people.

The San Francisco of actual-2024, on the other hand, doesn't bother with any of that. The real Tenderloin has no walls around it, no distribution centers or ration cards. Plenty of $200k+/year tech bros live in high rises in the area, stepping over the dying to get to their fucking Waymos. It's just much cheaper and easier, as capital's reasoning goes, to let people starve, offer them shelter that won't actually accomodate their needs, trash their possessions and arrest them. Our tough-talkin' governor in his dark sunglasses talks about the problem of "encampments" in the most dehumanizing way possible, never naming the people who live in them, before joining the cops in stealing their belongings, including wheelchairs and walkers they need to live.

"Please stop talking about me as if I’m not here or not human"

So it's really hard to watch this 1995 scifi try to depict the most gruesome poverty and social dysfunction it can imagine, and come up well short of the reality capitalism and its human instruments have created today. And its denouement - a sudden outbreak of violence we're told is shocking and transformative - is equally naive. I think we need a radically different consciousness today, but I've repeated myself too much already.

Some random notes from the rewatch:

  • Tech mogul Chris Brynner mentions he had his Māori tattoo removed, implying tattoos are stigmatized in his 2024 in ways they definitely aren't in ours.
  • Points to the writers for mentioning how the information infrastructure for the districts has been privatized by Brynner's own company - "your government discount has been applied", a console says to one of the guards. "I have friends in the police department", Brynner later says - it's more accurate to say they're his customers, but that's exactly how a tech guy would spin it!
  • Mention of a "Pan-Carribean government" at Brynner's party of rich folks - we are, after all, in the year of the Irish Unification of 2024!
  • Lotsa classic ass urban-apocalyptic fire barrels in the districts, Sisko has a hilarious (for August in SF) tic of acting like his hands are cold.
  • Obligatory future slang describing the different underclasses: "gimmes, dims, and ghosts".
  • One of the district residents' concrete demands is "the reinstatement of the Federal Employment Act".
  • "We want to stop having to depend on handouts" - they're so virtuous, these poors! Not like the bad ones!
  • Once Dax convinces Brynner to give the hostage takers internet access, ordinary people living in the district are able to tell their stories to the world, and this is later said to have a huge effect on what happens after the massacre - another moment of "if only the world knew the truth, they would do something!"
  • The second ep closes with the line, "How could they have let things get so bad?", and this really is the befuddled liberal consternation at the heart of it - golly, we let it get bad! If only we hadn't let it get so bad!! Sigh.

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in reply to @vectorpoem's post:

i've been watching through Star Trek for the first time recently, without talking to anyone about it prior, and without knowing basically anything about what's coming up. I hit this episode near the start of 2024. I really can't adequately describe the bizarre sense of foreboding i got from seeing a dystopian story, about extreme political unrest kicked off by the police killing a black man, set only months in the future. Let's hope it works out as well for us as it did for them.

and also, it was only a single episode after the one where an empath got extremely horny and accidentally caused everyone on the entire station to start making out with each other.

15 degrees Celsius is actually totally normal for San Francisco proper in August (although it tends to be warmer in most places outside of the city). It is currently 10am on July 27th and it is 14 degrees Celsius.

an overcast day in late July, sure - we call it "No Sky July" for a reason - and even early August (aka "Fogust"), sure. but late August? pretty good chance it's gonna be hot. climate change has meant that the hell period of September drifts earlier and earlier each year. my apartment doesn't have central air conditioning and it has a dramatic impact on my quality of life during that period.

it definitely could be 15C on the 30th this year, and i hope it is! but i've learned to brace for the worst once it gets past the middle of the month, and for the entirety of September.

Yeah I guess my point is that it is absolutely within the range of possible temperatures even though yes you are correct that by late August summer does tend to have finally arrived in San Francisco. Also this can vary wildly by where in the city you are but I doubt the location in the screenshot is at like 42nd and Taraval lol.

I apologize, and definitely wasn't assuming you were an idiot. I'm too used to internet discussion being a "gotcha" exchange and had zero reasonable reason to assume you were doing anything remotely like that here, and didn't check my own tone carefully enough to make the former clear. Won't happen again.

in reply to @vectorpoem's post:

I think it's not just "liberalism" that explains the depictions of class struggle on this show, but also the general softness and tone of television in general in the mid 1990s, that was still hanging onto Hays-code-esque baggage from the 1980s. The cultural expectation for what was done on television was simply different. Jerry Springer seems tame as hell compared to today's standards, and it had only started pushing people's buttons and rattling television audiences in 1994. Everything had a soft touch back then, with the exception of bigotry that has become less socially acceptable since then.

well said, yeah. and ds9's run ended right around the time TV shifted into the paradigm we recognize today - continuity-heavy, way shorter seasons, not built around network TV censorship standards.

i was watching what we leave behind yesterday - they talk about how their higher-ups were telling them to stop trying to have continuity, since people couldn't keep up with it (because networks would show it at random times)

The "something very bad happened, that made people realize that things should change" reminds of how the Holocaust and World War 2 have kind of become part of Germany's national myth in that regard.
Growing up, I definitely got the sense that the general consensus was that, after having realized that everyone was incredibly evil, the Germans decided to be good from then on out and everything got fixed.

Obviously this wasn't true, back when it happened (people really didn't want to hear about a Genocide in 50s), wasn't true in 90s, and looking at the political landscape in this country today shows that it's not true today either.

The other interesting part about these kinds of stories, is that they never really talk, or show what's actually required to "fix" these problems. It all just magically happens.

Two thoughts come to mind, here, beyond the general praise for your detail.

First, I still don't know if it's serious or satire, but this era's Federation isn't remotely liberal, so a lot of this lines up. Whereas Kirk is frequently disappointed that the guy who reformed the prison system had a dark secret or needs to lecture some former officer who can't let go of whatever they started their careers in, Picard wishes that the Federation had a better footing for some hypothetical war, murders a bunch of colleagues based on rumors of foreign influence, and uses the Prime Directive as an excuse to not save the lives of people who he has been dealing with. In that sense, it makes a lot of sense that Sisko has a "these things just happen" attitude.

Second, they weren't entirely wrong about the premise that the individual stories needed to get out. Compare this story with, for example, the murder of George Floyd. Social media guilted the news into covering the story, and we got the largest, most sustained protests that I've seen. And once the news decided that they did their duty and stopped covering the story and the dozens of near-identical stories every month, the overwhelming majority of the activity stopped, at least partly because it's no longer in people's faces every day. But you can't expect a major studio to talk about how you can't trust legacy media to cover important stories while they chase advertising dollars...

this era's Federation isn't remotely liberal

Liberals are absolutely pro-war though, when it suits them, they just express it in different ways than conservatives do - see the constant bipartisan China hawk rhetoric in US politics, and Harris getting a huge round of applause at the DNC talking about how "lethal" our military is. So the 90s Trek depictions of the Federation seem very liberal to me, and DS9 does a pretty commendable job at picking apart the contradictions and hypocrisies in that. Sisko gets his hands so dirty during the Dominion War that it becomes clear that he was the first Trek captain-protagonist who didn't live, as Kirk and Picard go to, in a world built around making him look 100% righteous.

Good point re: the George Floyd uprising, and I did think of that when writing this. But then I thought of all the Palestinian stories we've been getting for the past 10+ months, and how little a difference that has ultimately made to their ongoing extermination - I say that not to despair, but to weigh with some intellectual integrity the true value of the truth becoming widely known. Peoples' ability to justify violence against someone they've decided is an Other trumps the truth of their suffering, in a lot of cases.

Well, I raised war as one of many issues. Political positions are never a single position (except among the extremely naive), but as you start racking up how they talk about peace-time like "decadence," attempt multiple genocides, certain kinds of people never getting civil rights, think that everybody should join Starfleet, and a lot more, it all looks more cohesive than a couple of oddball issues.

And yeah, I do see the point on Palestinian issues, but I blame that on the news outlets, too. I mean, in any major outlet, the stories are that the IDF bombed someplace, killing probably militants. There's no storytelling from Gaza, at least partly because the IDF started shooting at those journalists, but also because the media companies never care until they're shamed into it...

This is helping me realize that my note about "telling the truth changing everything" (jotted mid-watch and only lightly edited for the post) was worded a bit too flippantly; I actually think having Dax push for net access for the district was one of the best storytelling decisions they made, and if they'd had time (or a couple more decades of direct observation of how the truth gets filtered through myriad sources and turned into a different product for different audiences, basically - not that it wasn't already happening back then) they might've devoted a bit of screen time to showing how the information coming out of the situation was being received by the rest of the world. Maybe Brynner was a "free speech absolutist" whose principles as a capitalist were put in tension by his business delivering a dose of reality for once.

The most cartoonish version of the "truth becoming known suddenly changes everything" trope is the 80s movie where the rich bad guy suddenly ruins his popularity by saying what he really thinks of ordinary people into a hot mic everyone can hear. I think a lot of pop storytelling in the 80s and 90s leaned on that, in a way that we gradually became disillusioned with in the 00s onward. But also... sometimes the undeniable truth does change everything. And I give full credit to the DS9 writers for that part of the story, and the underlying belief in the possibility of change (not that I was tearing down all the other parts of it! I hope that came across clearly at least.)

Oh, yeah! Now that you mention it, it's a huge deal that the (for lack of a better word) allegorical Big Story became a folk mythology that muckraking is just saying "hey, have you heard about this?" like a hack comedian and changes the world.

There's also the darker angle that struck me last night: Did these events change things? We've been told a lot that the world at the time was facing down a century of horrors, and then the future becomes bright because we develop interstellar travel so that people can spread out and exploit hundreds of planets in parallel. That timeline makes me ask if maybe the historical importance of the Bell Riots is mythology-building, similar to how we try to show an unbroken line of descent from Athenian democracy to today's systems, ignoring the many centuries of empires and all the non-European and non-governmental democracies.

right, it's come up elsewhere in this post's comments that in the grand scheme of trek canon, even with whatever social reforms came out of the Bell Riots the US was still headed to hell in a handbasket and the nuclear apocalypse still happens (most recently in SNW, a "Second American Civil War" is cited, and uses Jan 6th footage!). i think the DS9 writers were just trying to tell a good standalone story that ends on a note of Trek's trademark optimism (but with the added nuance of DS9's more critical perspective).

Oh, definitely. I found it extremely in-character, though, for the franchise (or Americans in general, I guess) to point to an event and call that the point where we fixed everything, even as Picard (who, as I love to point out, grew up in his family's ancestral castle and donates so much money-that-he-claims-doesn't-matter to archaeological societies that they ask him to make keynote speeches at conferences) sternly lectures people about going through the right channels...

It's just much cheaper and easier to let people starve, offer them shelter that won't actually accomodate their needs, trash their possessions and arrest them.

my understanding is that it would actually be far cheaper to house and care for people, the system is kept in place due to ideology, not rationality

they're so virtuous, these poors! Not like the bad ones!

the concept of deserving vs undeserving poor has so thoroughly brainwormed into our culture that a sci-fi show's ostensible future is still echoing poor laws from the 1830s, grim all around

i've always interpreted "the United States will finally begin correcting the social problems it had struggled with for over a hundred years." line from sisko explaining the riots as a longer-term idea, considering that in the larger storytelling of tng-era star trek that had been established, nuclear war was/is in the near future, and humanity only builds the federation after that

though obviously trek's "canon" has never been particularly self-consistent as this is already a retcon of the TOS era's timeline that places WW3 in the 1990s

there's also a whole thing here about how the episode says the people who don't work "should be in hospitals" which. not great

picard show season 2 also features time traveling to 2023 and there's an offhand reference, a newspaper article is shown onscreen that mentions sanctuary districts, and there's a similar thing of a character saying "these homeless people with mental health problems could be CURED in a good society".

not great

YEP, i noticed this too, and it's a very common comfortable liberal "just get them out of my sight, but take care of them though, somehow" position, a ton of people in SF have either realized and not realized that what they really want for the unhoused mentally ill here are some or other modern version of sanitariums, and are in denial that that just means more prisons.

yeah it's definitely all over the place, the "Eugenics Wars" said by TOS to happen in the 1990s are nowhere to be seen when Voyager travels back to 1996 LA, and the more recent shows have tried to posit a "Second American Civil War" sometime in the mid 21st century that ends in The Big One that creates the dark century the Federation then rises out of after first contact with the Vulcans. i think you're right, these eps weren't trying to engage with any specific point of canon and just speak directly to what we could already see happening in the 90s.

While the episode was filming, an article in the Los Angeles Times described a proposal by the Mayor that the homeless people of that city could be moved to fenced-in areas so as to contain them, in an effort to "make downtown Los Angeles friendlier to business." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, p. ?) Shortly thereafter, Alexander Siddig stated, "It turned out that 'Past Tense' was the best timing of all because the L.A. city council is actually trying to set up something called 'Sanctuaries' in L.A. for the homeless people right now which are enclosed areas where they wish to put all the homeless people. The anti-sanctuary people saw our show and were astounded to see that someone had done this. It's a happening thing and at the moment sanctuaries are going to be developed in L.A." (Star Trek: Communicator issue 102, p. 49) In retrospect, Siddig later commented further on this coincidence: "The episode was almost a cinematic version of that statement by the LA council." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, p. ?) As Ira Behr commented, the plan was "to put aside part of downtown Los Angeles as a haven, nice word, a haven for the homeless." Similarly, as Robert Wolfe said, "That was what the Sanctuary Districts were, places where the homeless could just be so no-one had to see them, and literally there it was in the newspaper. We were a little freaked out." (Time Travel Files: "Past Tense", DS9 Season 3 DVD, Special Features)

you might find this quote from the memory alpha article interesting

This is significant--Trek has had several "timeline fracture point" episodes involving the present or the near future being crucial to the establishment of the Trek future. The irony is that this then creates a somewhat more realistic view of history, that there isn't just one single event that changes everything (for the worse or the better) but rather a culmination of things. And indeed, I think it's worth noting that this 2-parter doesn't suggest that everything is immediately fixed once the riots stop--in fact, they can't, because canonically Earth is about to go through decades of war and dystopian misery before we get to first contact with the Vulcans.

My personal canon is that these crucial "turning points" are part of a larger current that builds throughout the 20th century and into the 21st--that in fact is ongoing as we speak (Edith Keeler from "The City On The Edge Of Forever" being part of it as well) to create the social movement that eventually becomes the Federation, which keeps the light of hope alive through the bad times. This is both more realistic as to how history works and also helps reconcile things like the post-Atomic Horror depicted in "Encounter At Farpoint" supposedly happening almost two decades after the Vulcans show up. I don't think this is a conflict at all! I think Earth will have to progress and reform for a long time before getting its act together, and the movement towards the good can be ongoing even as things are really bad in some places. To paraphrase: "The apocalypse is here, it's just not evenly distributed"

(I've mentioned before I'd actually love to see a Trek show set a decade or two after the Vulcan first contact--in many ways it would be DS9 in reverse, with the Vulcans acting like Starfleet and Earth being like Bajor, humanity starting to get its act together and build space colonies even as parts of our planet are probably hellscapes (the Post Atomic Horror, Colonel Green), and the Vulcans trying to navigate between helping us and keeping this extremely violent race from getting too advanced in their tech and becoming Klingons 2.0)

Some very good stuff here. I would agree with, as a few people have pointed out, the fact that this episode was to a large degree "going with the flow" of the dictates of network TV, both in terms of budget and trying to keep the story focused, and I don't think they're as oblivious to some of the points you raise as you might think; after all, this is a show that, one season later, in an episode written by the same team who wrote this one, had Rom discovering the Communist Manifesto and using it to upend his workplace! They're generally keeping things on the down low and using implication (it's NOT an accident that the two PoC crew members end up herded into the Sancutary while the pretty white girl ends up at a party with rich people, for instance)

I'd even argue that IF a major news network acted in the way Brynner's did, it would make an impact; the naive part is assuming that people like Brynner could be swayed to do this kind of thing. This probably did seem more likely in 1996, before the Fox Newsificiation of media culture (which was well underway at the time but not as obvious) but I guess Behr and Wolfe assumed that the people who owned the network were on the same page as the people who worked there, i.e. mostly-well-meaning but often clueless liberals

after all, this is a show that, one season later, in an episode written by the same team who wrote this one, had Rom discovering the Communist Manifesto and using it to upend his workplace!

I love that episode. In that particular case, I think the writers were on much surer, more life-experience-informed political footing, being unionized Hollywood writers themselves!

the naive part is assuming that people like Brynner could be swayed to do this kind of thing

Right, I should probably have mentioned in my post how Brynner does and doesn't compare to our current rogue's gallery of tech billionaires, and how they're basically all dragging the world towards fascism, even and in some cases especially the ones who have given a lot to charity (billionaires are policy failure generators, etc). He's got the obliviousness and naivete down, but if it were written today it'd be practically inexcusable not to depict him as being at some identifiable point along the right wing tech guy radicalization pipeline.

I was mentioning elsewhere that the Voyager season 3 2-parter "Future's End", which is obviously meant to echo this one in several respects, is pretty damn refreshing to watch in 2024 in that it portrays a tech billionaire as a former hippie who becomes a world-endangering fascist via the acquisition of tech that he lucked into rather than inventing himself. No attempt to make him sympathetic or conflicted whatsoever. (I'm pretty sure it came out during the period when everyone flat-out loathed Bill Gates so it was playing to the crowd in that respect as well, but it's sad that Silicon Valley's PR has worked so well that this portrayal seems surprising in media nowadays)