pendell

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I use outdated technology just for fun, listen to crappy music, and watch a lot of horror movies. Expect posts about These Things. I talk a lot.

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lexyeevee
@lexyeevee

the whole idea of IQ tests is so funny. it feels like it has to be an elaborate prank. yeah hey everyone we came up with these puzzles that objectively measure your intelligence and aren't influenced by painfully obvious factors like whether you've done a lot of puzzles before. psych! that's clearly ridiculous


amagire
@amagire

we've totally come up with a series of language- and culturally-neutral tests that will fairly and objectively determine, on a numerical scale, how likely you are to pay Mensa dues


ireneista
@ireneista

IQ tests are bullshit. total fucking bullshit. it is entirely about practice with those specific types of puzzle, and they are not generalizable skills that help with solving even other kinds of puzzle. in fact, as puzzles go, they fail several very basic design criteria that most people who enjoy creating puzzles hold themselves to.


lexyeevee
@lexyeevee

you might hear "puzzle" and think like "sudoku", something that has rules that force a particular solution. or at the very least a crossword, which is looser but still largely verifiable.

but no, as far as i'm aware the iq test style of puzzle is guess what the author was thinking. like "give the next number in this sequence". and the idea is to go for, i guess, some kind of elegance in your definition of the sequence, but "only the pattern i have in mind is valid" is a really fucking weird way to pretend to gauge "innate intelligence"


exerian
@exerian

iq is just ai through a mirror darkly


exerian
@exerian

how else would you measure its intelligence?!?


pendell
@pendell

We'll know the LLMs have become sentient when we ask them "are you sentient" and it responds "yes"


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in reply to @lexyeevee's post:

in reply to @amagire's post:

but it does! consider that one way that people purport to measure their IQs is simply by mapping their SAT or GRE scores to an IQ value, and since those tests largely respond to money (to buy more repetitions of the test, as well as specialized test prep), it's like you're getting smarter the more you spend!

in reply to @ireneista's post:

so the thing is that taking it on a website isn't valid because to the extent the test gives reproducible results AT ALL, that reproducibility is the product of having it administered in a controlled environment by trained staff

in reply to @lexyeevee's post:

When I was a kid I took an IQ test that scored me with a ridiculously high score (high 160s I think) and as a result school administrators loved using me to raise up average standardized test scores for the school district. Or at least that's the only reason I can come up with for why they kept on pulling me out of class to take the same fucking tests over and over and over again. And of course I kept on getting perfect scores on them! Because I had them basically memorized!

Sometimes I would be resentful of Marilyn Vos Savant. Here she was, highest IQ on record, and all she used it for was writing a shitty advice column where she constantly got fundamental things wrong. But then I realized I wasn't jealous of her, I just pitied her. Brain the size of a tiny planet and all she used it for was to be incorrect about math problems and basic physics.

imo 'innate intelligence' is a concept so subjective that its meaningless. its like testing for one's Gusto levels, its gonna reveal more about us as we define the thing we're testing for than it does reveal any innate quality of the person being tested.

the last person i knew who insisted intelligence was objectively quantifiable and useful to measure was also a hateful reclusive loner who emotionally abused me.