pendell

Current Hyperfixation: Wizard of Oz

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I use outdated technology just for fun, listen to crappy music, and watch a lot of horror movies. Expect posts about These Things. I talk a lot.

Check tags like Star Trek Archive and Media Piracy to find things I share for others.



transmortifried
@transmortifried

so you don't get notifications for when someone shares a post from you that you shared from someone else, which was like 90% of how i found new people to follow on tumblr

on top of that p sure there isn't a way to see if other people added commentary to a post in their reblog that isn't in the version the person you're reblogging it from has, which might be user error on my part but based on the ethos of the devs feels fully intentional

no internal messaging system, and i'm pretty sure i saw a devpost saying that they refuse to implement one, which sucks bc my girlfriends are always sending me posts they like which is so so cute

you also to the best of my knowledge can't tag people in posts

it REALLY feels like the only way to interact with people on this site is through divine luck or total accident. like everyone's page is their own Gary Larsonesque tiny desert island and the only way to talk to other people is to huck a message in a bottle in their general direction and pray


transmortifried
@transmortifried

you also get notifications when people like or share your original posts but you can't look at the post itself and see any of that information which baffles me


deadryn
@deadryn

Agreed. Not being able to see what other people are saying about a post sucks. Makes each account feel that much more isolated.


chirasul
@chirasul

its really fascinating how the design of a website not only shapes people's expectations for how a website should behave, but also (and more importantly) it shapes people's expectations for how you're supposed to behave on a website. design drives behavior, and behavior drives expectations.

after using this website for a little while, i dont feel at ALL isolated or alone on this website. im gonna try to explain why by addressing each point made on @transmortifried's original post.

  • cohost doesn't give you notifications when someone shares a post from you. so if you share a post that you did not make, you dont get a notification. for a website about posting (as opposed to a website about getting notifications), this makes sense. if someone shares a post from you, you can only know by seeing it in your timeline. what effects do these designs have? this makes the timeline more useful for this particular social interaction than your notifications. the connection you have with your follower is therefore established through the post itself (the important part), rather than through a notification for the post. spending a lot of time in your notifications is not good or fun; spending time connecting via posts is fun.

  • if someone adds commentary onto a post by someone you follow, the only way you can see it is if they (or someone else) posts it onto your timeline. you cannot click a post to see all the shares it has on it. what effects does this design have? for one, it prevents people from searching for comments they disagree with, which is practically a sport on twitter (browsing quote tweets) and on tumblr (searching the notes), where it encourages bad behavior, such as harassment, brigading, and picking fights with people. you only see posts that you opted to see, and you only see posts that the people you follow have opted to share. this encourages users to follow more people to see more posts. also, this design encourages an original poster to share when someone has added commentary onto their post, because they know that's the only guaranteed way for their followers to see that added commentary (if they do, in fact, want their followers to see the added commentary). this is a great way of preventing bad behavior.

  • there's no internal messaging system. why? because that's a HUGE vector for bad behavior. harrassment, brigading, trolling, phishing, hacking. plus, everyone in the world already uses messaging systems elsewhere, such as telegram or discord or whatnot. what effects does this design have? it encourages people to just, you know... swap IM handles and talk to each other. why reinvent the wheel, while increasing the chance of people being mean or exploitative to each other? instant messaging would add many, many more problems than it solves, especially problems for vulnerable people.

  • you can't tag people in posts. why? also harassment. do you know how many times a day i get tagged by a phishing bot on tumblr? between 5-10. if you want someone to see a post, just send it to them, via IM. make a connection with someone.

there are actually a lot of ways to interact with people, such as via comments. cohost LOVES comments. its great. i have lots of interesting and fun discussions with people in the comments, and i've deliberately sought people out to message them on other platforms from interactions we've had in comments or shared posts.

  • looking at the post itself to find information such as shares and likes and comments, once again, puts the value on gathering notifications instead of making posts. sites like facebook, twitter, and tumblr have conditioned us to believe that social media is a game, and if we get notifications, we're winning. that's bad for your brain and encourages people to do stupid or mean things just to get notifications. cohost wants to discourage that behavior by drawing the attention away from notifications and onto posts. though, cohost is also planning on adding a few select metric trackers for creators using cohost as part of their work, so they can have an easier time doing their job

cohost has a very calculated range of how you can interact with other people, and they didnt design it shortsightedly. it is very deliberate. please give it a shot. give it a few months of only interacting on cohost with the tools and mechanisms that cohost has given you. i think you will find that the way you start connecting with people is actually really fun and organic. and altogether quite peaceful


pendell
@pendell

TAG YOUR POSTS. TAG THEM LIKE A BOOMER ON TWITTER. GO WILD WITH THE TAGS.

Cohost has an extremely robust tagging auto complete that recommends tags that already exist for you, which is also a great way to find posts - "oh, this tag already exists? let's see what posts are there!" Sometimes you get a little disappointed that it was a tag made by a private page, but more often than not you'll find a couple people talking about the subject that interests you! It's one of the best ways to easily connect with people over shared interests here. I've already made a couple friends this way!

You can also still hide comments and stuff in tags just like on Tumblr - though do note tags on the original post will be visible on rechosts, however tags on rechosts will only be visible on that individual rechost (unless that user adds regular body text, then it behaves the same way as OP and is carried on). So you can rechost something, add a comment in a tag, and it won't pollute others' feeds if they rechost it from you.


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in reply to @transmortifried's post:

in reply to @transmortifried's post:

I'm not sure what you mean; clicking on "your post" in "X liked your post" takes me to the post, or in the case of a share, to their share.

In the case of a share with content (vs just tags) the notification will also include the content or at least part of it

Revisiting this, I get what you're talking about now and I find it a relief that that particular "feature" is probably never coming here. It's a panopticon and leads to bad things and I don't like it. We don't need to have the fact we've interacted with a post on a permanent record. Staff is working on alternative social networking features.

in reply to @deadryn's post:

i am not the guy you probably want to debate this point with considering i have chronic illnesses. i only have so much energy to scream at people in a void to try and get interactions, and so does everyone else

i dont think cohost being quiet is bad, though. it's intended in the design, and i think a lot of the feeling of "void" comes from the dopamine loop + young website stuff

idk im just here for fun, dont take this as me yelling at you cause im not, i think we both agree with eachother on the fact that you have to Make It Happen

I think the idea is that tagging and people searching tags is supposed to be the norm, that's what needs to Happen. not just an anonymous algorithm stringing posters together with haphazard, unspoken rules, in order to make Numbers go Up, and make a company money off your back.

Which unfortunately seems to hit those of us with autism and/or social anxiety issues

i know I've /heavily/ relied on seeing others follows in order to find more people to follow on other sites because DMs/Replies/Normal human interaction is way harder sometimes

i dont know if its possible to add that sort of accessibility without adding the algorithm bullshit though

yeah, but i've got no idea what tags are the right tags, how much i should tag, and not to mention the energy it would take to constantly remember a list of tags to put on every post.

i understand the idea, and i love the idea of no longer fighting on an algorithm. ive just got too many things wrong with me to try and be someone who pioneers the culture ( i dont know better words for this ). i dont think we are disagreeing in whats being said, i think that effort does need to be made by everyone to change how they use social media. im just tired.

in reply to @chirasul's post:

i thought we did get notifications for rebugs with comments, but i did notice a little while ago that when i scrolled back in my notifications that the notifications for rebugs with comments i'd gotten in the past had disappeared. did they change it? fortunately i've bookmarked all the rebugs with comments that i've received thusfar.

well put, thank you :) maybe I'm misremembering but the way cohost works actually reminds me quite a lot of tumblr of old (I used tumblr from ~2010 through ~2016, but haven't used it at all since then), when you could only interact with people you followed through asks or reblogs, and then when you decided maybe you wanted to get to know them better you just swapped skype handles lol. maybe more recent users of tumblr have forgotten (or never experienced in the first place) what that was like but for me it was a pretty chill time, and I met a lot of my oldest, closest friends that way.

Honestly?? I left a DM in someone's twitter recently. That ability to just "drop a message" on someone and the future expectation of response is like... such a bad social agreement.

That single interaction alone makes me feel like I'm pulling someone aside and whispering in their ear it's just... the fact that I can do that feels so off, yet its completely free to do??

there's a lot of ways to interact with people, such as via comments, and...

also if they're going to emphasize comments so much then it needs to not be blockquote based bc it doesn't take long for conversations to become unreadable. or is that part of the vision too?

As an aside this has really put to proof how conditioned even I, the crankiest of web 2.0 cranks, am to the ways of like, share, and curate rather than actually contributing to discussion and socializing, which is the whole reason I wanted to give this place a shot to begin with. As you say it has been very thoughtfully designed for this, even if it always seems that our baggage will follow I think it is still worth it to try and engage with cohost on that front. I need to put myself out there more, in short!

oh my god yeah it's like a vacation from using the other social media sites, all those annoying things... all the things that don't matter... just... gone!

And I can comment on anything I want and it doesn't get added to my timeline! It's awesome! It makes me want to talk!

the ability to totally silence posts with certain tags, just making them not appear is pretty cool too! idk if that's on tumblr (ive never used tumblr) but i havent seen that on any other social media website