pendell

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I use outdated technology just for fun, listen to crappy music, and watch a lot of horror movies. Expect posts about These Things. I talk a lot.

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posts from @pendell tagged #BD-R

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anyways in funnier, less-depressing news, I downloaded a rip of the Madman blu-ray of Over the Garden Wall and just casually burned it to one of my last Verbatim (ie expensive) BD-Rs without checking it, then popped it in my player to test and got hit with a region lock error. Whoever ripped the disc used AnyDVD, but decided only to decrypt without removing the region coding. So now I'm re-ripping the disc from my burned BD-R with AnyDVD to remove the region lock so I can then burn it again to another disc. I tried "ripping" from the files on the hard drive, but AnyDVD won't talk to a folder, and turning that folder into an iso and mounting it virtually, Microsoft's virtual drive emulator only reports itself as CD or DVD, so that would, I fear, create all sorts of annoying compatibility problems.

I should just buy a region free blu-ray player but I'm in too much debt to do that!



There are 3 main brands of dual layer BD-R that are worth paying attention to on most ecommerce today - Verbatim (the goat), Smartbuy, and Optical Quantum. There are a few other no-names like Ritek's own Ridata line, but for the most part of you're looking for currently produced BD-R DLs those are gonna be the ones that pop up.

Everyone says to go with Verbatim. They're the best, everyone says in every forum, all the others are just coasters, only Verbatim has maintained good quality all these years later!

And I'm inclined to believe them. They do seem very nicely made, they have those curved disc edges and usually feel as if they're a slightly thicker/heavier polycarbonate than competitors. But they're also expensive. Like, exponentially costlier than any alternatives.

A 25-pack spindle or Verbatim BD-R DLs currently on Amazon breaks down to $3.13/disc USD before tax and/or shipping. That's rough.

Meanwhile, a Smartbuy spindle of just 10 discs breaks down to $1.62/disc! Holy crap, that's so much cheaper! The 10-disc from Optical Quantum is $1.90/disc, and both of these prices go down the more you buy (obviously), so if you're willing to drop the bucks, the per-disc cost becomes insane!

Optical Quantum's 50-pack is $1.80/disc, and Smartbuy's 50-pack (which is hilarious just 5 10-packs) is $1.43/disc! These deals are absurd, there has to be a catch, right?

Well, kinda sorta? There are plenty of Amazon reviews under Smartbuy and Optical Quantum over the years complaining about coasters, fluctuations in quality, and people reporting how one spindle will be great, and the next spindle they order a few months later will look like a completely different disc manufacturer and formulation and have more failed burns. Because Smartbuy and Optical Quantum are not making the discs themselves and just rebranding other companies' discs, they can just switch manufacturers without informing anyone, potentially to a lower quality disc maker. One of Verbatim's pros is that they produce the discs they sell, so you know you're always getting the same product.

But does that really matter today, in 2024? BD-Rs are basically finished, as a product. I've burned 20 Smartbuy BD-R DLs and each one burned and verified flawlessly. I just bought an Optical Quantum spindle and am currently burning my 5th disc without issue. They've been exactly as reliable for me as Verbatim media, and at a literal third of the price.

I think part of it could be attributed to my top-of-the-line Blu-ray drive haha, but I also don't think that's entirely it. I also suspect that burn speed has a lot to do with it. BD-R DLs advertise being able to be burned at up to 6x or 8x speed. But of course, the faster you burn, the less reliable the burn, and (potentially) the more difficult the reads.

I've never burned a disc faster than 4x. I don't push my luck, ever, with any disc. I never burned a Verbatim disc faster than 4x, and I've never burned a Smartbuy or Optical Quantum disc faster than 4x.

4x is the perfect balance between speed and quality, methinks.

A full 50GB burn at 2x (the slowest most discs and drives support) takes 90 minutes.

A full 50GB burn at 4x takes only 45 minutes. From there, you get diminishing returns. 6x is 22.5 minutes? I guess that's better, but you're really pushing your luck. 8x for 11.25 minutes? Sure you can bang out discs all day, but at what cost? What good will your speed be if none of those discs read back smoothly? 45 minutes is perfect because disc burning is a non-interactive thing that runs in the background anyways, so I don't really benefit from more time savings than that. Disc burning is a thing where you dial in your settings, click Go, and then walk away from your computer and come back later and it's finished. I'm not that impatient, and I'll be happy to let the drive take its time if it means I get reliable burns on any media I use.

Or maybe I'm just crazy and paranoid. Either way the point is, the forumites are exaggerating just a touch, at least from my anecdotal experience you really don't need to spend 3 times the money on Verbatim media. Especially if you're not like backing up critical data to blu-rays, and just - like me - burning cracked commercial disc backups to them for yourself and friends.



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So weird to actually be holding this in my hands. Which is funny since I own several 8cm CDs and DVDs (even an 8cm DVD-RAM) but something about how absolutely Not A Product this was is fascinating. These were on the market viably for like 3 or 4 years maybe. Flash media took over optical media for HD video so quickly it barely had time to become a real product line. Theoretically dual-layer 8cm BD-Rs and BD-RE DLs could have existed, but the whole 8cm blu-ray concept was dead so early on that I'm mostly sure those never made it to market.

Supposedly Verbatim and maybe a few other brands actually released 8cm BD-Rs and BD-REs in English markets (mostly the EU I believe), but besides some pictures on long-sold out e-commerce sites I can't find any real evidence those existed.

This Maxell BD-RE disc is the only 8cm BD-RE you can find for sale online right now as far as I can find, shipped from Japan for a pretty penny ($34.77 USD plus shipping on my end). The only other 8cm blu-ray listings I can find are for TDK single-write discs. Supposedly Maxell made single-write discs and TDK made rewritable discs, but I cannot find either of those anywhere. So yeah, this product line is just about dried up of old stock materials. I'm almost nervous to open it, which I'm not usually about this stuff :p


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kinda odd how unimpressively basic the case design is. the disc still looks sexy tho.