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DieselBrain
@DieselBrain

Decades of amateur film critics have made people think blatant sexual fan service in horror films is somehow a disservice when imho it serves the same thematic role as how in those old renaissance oil paintings they’d paint a bunch of fresh fruit next to a skull

Thematic and aesthetic contrast! The whiplash you can get from having genuine titillation interrupted by gruesome violence and death is a feature! Not a bug!

Let some hot girl with nice tits take off her shirt before getting hacked to death with an ax. Let the beefcake in short shorts show some shaft before getting drowned in a lake. Have a “pointless sex scene” then show off the gnarliest gore fx the team could dream up. That shit was GOOD.


pervocracy
@pervocracy

Yes, but: Let the fuckers survive sometimes. Let a hot girl with nice tits be the one to stagger bloody and dazed into the sunlight at the end.

Horror movies have a long and ugly tradition of making ax-murder the punishment for sex, and especially the punishment for girls having sex, in a way that is less about the contrast between love and death and more about the wages of sin. 80s-ish slashers were all about the Final Girl who survives the killers being shy and modest and virginal, the one who went to read a book while the dirty girls were fucking, and her survival is a little bit of a "the mouse roars" thing but it's also a little bit of a nasty purity virtue thing.

This has mostly been fixed by now. Either with movies like It Follows that explicitly deconstruct the trope, or with, as DieselBrain is pointing out, horror movies where nobody is horny. And since the deconstruction thing can only be done so many times, you get a lot of horror movies where the protagonists are generally not virgins, they might even have sex onscreen in that morose "realistic" way, but what they won't do is fanservice sex. Fun sex. If the movie aspires to any kind of mainstream prestige, nothing will be jiggling, nothing will be throbbing.

And for the reasons DieselBrain lays out, I would totally love to see jiggling and throbbing in horror films! You get the life and death contrast and you get a movie that's laying its "put on the popcorn, this is meant to be enjoyed" cards right down on the table.

All I ask is that this jiggling not be punished. Of course sex-havers can die, because I have not completely forgotten what a horror movie is, but sex-havers shouldn't die for having sex, and jiggling your boobs shouldn't put you out of contention for being the Final Girl. (Which is better suspense anyway. Kinda boring knowing from the start that the one in the sensible shoes is the only one with a chance.) We can cleanse the genre of incel-y sexual resentment without needing to resort to "fine, then nobody's sex life will be good enough to resent."


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in reply to @DieselBrain's post:

There's a fight scene in Drive Angry where Nic Cage is having a full blown shootout after escaping from hell while fucking. It's maybe my favorite terrible piece of cinema.

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