pieartsy

illustrator, poet, ifiction writer

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Dune is Orientalist. Here's a FAQ about it.

  • is dune really orientalist?
    yes.

  • what does that mean?
    dune exoticizes west asia and recreates power dynamics inherent within western european/american engagement with west asia (the "middle east").

  • how does it do that?
    read this article about it

  • but the books subvert the white power dynamic later, does that still make them orientalist?
    if it takes multiple books for a poc (esp asian person) to reach any critique of the fetishization of a white savior in an exotic desert land, it's still very orientalist and unpleasant for us to read.

  • but dune 2021 is such a beautiful and awe-inspiring movie, how can it be bad?
    I didn't say it was bad, I said it was orientalist. beautiful things can be orientalist (see: the rococco art movement)

  • but isn't orientalism bad?
    Yes it is. It's racism, which is bad.

  • then why isn't dune bad if it's orientalist?
    It's part of a trend. The trend is bad. Dune as a single story doesn't have to be bad.

  • if dune is orientalist, am I racist for enjoying dune? Am I a bad person? Should I hate it instead?
    You can enjoy whatever you like. If you're aware of its orientalism and can turn a critical eye to these elements, that will help overcome your intrinsic racist biases (everyone has internalized racist biases, actually). I don't think that enjoying something inherently makes you bad.

  • I don't see the orientalism, you're making a big deal out of nothing (I am not asian)
    This reaction does make you bad actually.

  • where can I learn more about orientalism?
    Look at edward said's book orientalism, or look up "orientalism" on google, as said's book is pretty dense. I have a series on orientalism on my blog but it's not finished (and is aimed at east asian orientalism).