• they/them

plural system in Seattle, WA (b. 1974)
lots of fictives from lots of media, some horses, some dragons, I dunno. the Pnictogen Wing is poorly mapped.

host: Mx. Kris Dreemurr (they/them)

chief messenger and usual front: Mx. Chara or Χαρά (they/them)

other members:
Mx. Frisk, historian (they/them)
Monophylos Fortikos, unicorn (he/him)
Kel the Purple, smol derg (xe/xem)
Pim the Dragon, Kel's sister (she/her)


YoteDragon
@YoteDragon

I hate politics.

"So don't talk about politics."

No, you don't understand, I want to destroy the power structures that allow politics as we know them to exist.


CERESUltra
@CERESUltra

The simple fact of it is, 99% of us who talk politics or get involved don't want to, we have to. Any number of us wish we didn't have to worry, could live a life uninvolved, to just go about every day of a normal life. We do it because it's a matter of survival and there is no other choice. We have to dismantle the machine that seeks to destroy us.


Janet
@Janet
This post has content warnings for: unfinished rambly anticapitalist thought.

IkomaTanomori
@IkomaTanomori

Paraphrasing: "Money is, as it exists in the impersonal cash-credit form we know today, valuable because of the universal threat of violently denying food and shelter to anyone who doesn't have it. Moreover, it is built on the near universal belief that this universal threat is just and right, that starving people still owe the price of bread to the grocery stores whose owners keep jacking up prices and blaming magical inflation fairies. That governments are right to employ men with sticks to beat people, often to death, for stealing that bread." Obviously that belief has been strongly selected against on this website. But we are not a majority.

It is through this kind of belief, grown in communities acclimatized to enormous violence by our governments to the point that we have trouble thinking of it as violence if we've not spent a lot of effort relearning how the world works, that every human thought and action and feeling is outsourced. Call center employees are employed to be sorry on behalf of the rich. Sex workers are employed to absorb other emotions, though more for the guard classes than the rich themselves. All that on top of the way one works at any random job a wealthy person pays for in order to afford to eat and have a home and maybe enjoy a little leisure sometimes.

Generation after generation, we have been conditioned more and more to fear, hate, and distrust our neighbors. Because if we grew to know, like, and trust them, we could never be convinced they deserved to freeze or starve.


chaoticevilspacewitch
@chaoticevilspacewitch

I've been thinking lately about how one of the fundamental, philosophical evils of currency is that it allows for the precise quantification of labor value. When you have such exacting math and your disposal, it becomes increasingly difficult to say "Oh yeah, he's frequently drunk and a bit dumb and smells funny, but he helps out around town here and there so whatever, we feed and house him and take him to the wise woman if he gets sick". No, you end up applying an impersonal measuring stick to the value of his labor, and if he doesn't produce as much as it costs to provide for him, at least part of you is going to start feeling like he's stealing from you, and rationalize why he shouldn't have the things he needs.
A species that had invented economics right out of the gate wouldn't have paleolithic examples of members having survived debilitating injury thanks to the community taking care of them, because they'd have "done the math" and decided it wasn't worth it. Just like our entire society has been engineered to think today.


YoteDragon
@YoteDragon

Yeah, the fact that everyone is measured by the same yardstick does not allow for one's contribution to be considered on a case by case basis and only allows for the consideration of how wealthy one makes one's capitalist overlord. This leads to horrible ableism in society as well as an unwillingness to acknowledge the value of any labor that does not generate monetary value.


pnictogen-wing
@pnictogen-wing

it's not just people who are reduced to mere monetary transactions and "net worth", but all things. abstract quantities are equated to sums of money. Very Serious People "debate" over whether freedom or justice are simply too expensive, luxuries that we ought to do away with in the name of "efficiency" (i.e. maximal cash flow). it's deeply pathological. ~Chara


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in reply to @Janet's post:

Well it's more an issue that without being able to pay someone to do something for us... everyone would have to do everything for themselves, which means that no one would be able to specialize, which would eventually result in a real shortage of subject matter experts.

Paying someone else to fix your dishwasher doesn't mean you're lazy, buying a burger doesn't mean you're lazy, it just means you spent your time doing something other than learning how to make a good burger or fix a dishwasher.

If anything, the whole idea that this kind of "outsourcing" is lazy is just shaming the people who actually work and study for a living and don't have time to handle everything in their lives themselves. I would LOVE to have the time to cook for myself every day, to grow my own vegetables, to learn how to fix everything in my home and so on. But being that I am on the bottom tier of the capitalist shitlist, that's not an option.

You know who DOES have the time for hobbies like that? The independently wealthy landowners. The people who exploit the system most.

You know who DOES have the time for hobbies like that? The independently wealthy landowners. The people who exploit the system most.

yes, of course i know that.

i wrote what i wrote not to "shame people who actually work [...]" as you say, but to lament the lost time one has to spend elsewhere, doing other peoples' bidding.

the people who "have the time for hobbies like that" are the ones i call out as being lazy. and it's not just landowners. land means squat nowadays, IP is the new land. or was and is being replaced in its importance by the next generation of capitalist grifters with "userbase" or perhaps personal data. and the AI gang is doing their own thing, creating "land" for themself, just like the NFT mafia did with the blockchain after the blockchain was already kinda being squatted on by the miners. fucking cabbage patch kids and baseballcards.

no matter where you look, "resources", real or not, useful or not, are being hoarded and people are told they need these "vital" resources YESTERDAY and then coerced to pay for using them.

i've got the feeling someone was hoping to actually make money with clean air at some point. seriously: i bet you a buck, someone was having wet dreams over the fucking movie "space balls"

in reply to @chaoticevilspacewitch's post:

The psychotic thing about capitalists is they see those examples of people coming together and providing for one another as things to avoid, and i dont even just mean soulless corpos, i mean right wingers who vote soulless corpo ghouls to office, they think a community coming together to help eachother is bad but also for some reason miss the days when neighbors all knew eachother? Its brainworms all of it!

It's extreme them/us identification. They fear seeing communities come together when it's "them," and desire it when it's their idea of "us." It's a defensive adaptation, identification with power as defensive coloring in the face of predation by that same power.

I think that currency is something that we'd need to have, in some sense, unless you either A) want to barter for everything or B) once we achieve Luxury Gay Space Communism trust that everyone is a mature adult and that no one is going to just take all the pears and hoard them either due to being an asshole or having a mental illness.

Currency is literally just a solvent for the movement of resources, it's the distribution of currency that's the issue. That "the guy who takes it easy and helps out around town whenever he's able" is issued less of a share of society's resources than "the guy who wears a tie and makes number go up by making people unable to afford insulin."