• they/them

plural system in Seattle, WA (b. 1974)
lots of fictives from lots of media, some horses, some dragons, I dunno. the Pnictogen Wing is poorly mapped.

host: Mx. Kris Dreemurr (they/them)

chief messenger and usual front: Mx. Chara or Χαρά (they/them)

other members:
Mx. Frisk, historian (they/them)
Monophylos Fortikos, unicorn (he/him)
Kel the Purple, smol derg (xe/xem)
Pim the Dragon, Kel's sister (she/her)


platinumtulip
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TommyTorty10
@TommyTorty10

No one should ever have to be tough or thick skinned to learn about linux. It's not a military bootcamp. We're office workers. It's better if we're soft and understanding and empathetic. Allegedly, we are all trying to work together to build stuff, and so we necessarily should be trying to get along better.


pnictogen-wing
@pnictogen-wing

...is that it's got the same kind of problem that fringe religious movements have, where you can't admit to having problems without meeting a wall of flat denial that problems even exist. there's an air of "what did YOU do wrong? I've never had any problems at all!" coupled with assertions about Windows's instability and jankiness that have never matched my own experience. the message is clear: Linux is supposed to be better in every way, so saying that something is worse is somehow sinful, indicative of an impure heart and a bad attitude—maybe you're just making it up, trying to make trouble!?! how can you get any sort of useful help with problems when the attitude is that only troublemakers have problems?

~Chara


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in reply to @platinumtulip's post:

Oh, I feel this. I've been learning coding for little hobby site purposes, and it's agonizing trying to dig through resources. Even if there's no overt miasma of smugness, it still seems like most folks don't have a lot of patience for people just starting out. It's a bummer.

Even with "thick enough skin" or whatever to put up with how unfriendly everything is, it's definitely not good! It'd be better if there were more approachable resources and people eager to help out there, and not just better for beginners, but better for veterans too. So this feeling is definitely warranted in my opinion.

There is a disconnect between people who grew up with computers for their entire lives and think everything is obvious, and people who were born in another time and grew up surrounded by a different set of tech (or none at all!) and speak an entirely different language when describing issues. It is a useful soft skill to be able to stop and think about a problem from someone else's point of view so you can use words they're expecting to see and tools they already know how to use and better help them... which no one has. Certainly not the newbie that doesn't even know what they don't know to expect them to ask their question with technical jargon, and unfortunately neither the techies going the other way to use less patronizing language, never mind not even trying and telling them off instead.

The hilarious part is that this even happens among(us) ourselves. I still don't know what the fuck a Hadoop is. You can explain it to me however you like but I'm missing the fundamentals of cloud infrastructure to understand where it fits in and your explanation will go in one ear and out the other.

I remember taking a UNIX course in college. The instructor tried to emphasize that the smugness and sense of superiority was just part of the culture. To the point that it was a test question at least twice. It was one of the most pretentious things I ever heard