• they/them

plural system in Seattle, WA (b. 1974)
lots of fictives from lots of media, some horses, some dragons, I dunno. the Pnictogen Wing is poorly mapped.

host: Mx. Kris Dreemurr (they/them)

chief messenger and usual front: Mx. Chara or Χαρά (they/them)

other members:
Mx. Frisk, historian (they/them)
Monophylos Fortikos, unicorn (he/him)
Kel the Purple, smol derg (xe/xem)
Pim the Dragon, Kel's sister (she/her)


There's a painfully funny line early in Beetlejuice, from Jeffrey Jones, that immediately establishes the movie's whitebread suburban 1980s milieu: he says he's gonna clip coupons. https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/3cd6dca7-a8de-4a86-ab24-bca60eec75ab

Frisk and I, who both lived through the 1980s, were compelled to become altogether too familiar with the coupon-clipping pastime. It hasn't stopped; you can still get paper coupons even though these days everyone's moved over to online deals and forcing people to install smartphone apps in order to get trivial savings on consumer products. And you can even still find propaganda stories of the "local mom saves enough for her daughter's tooth extraction by clipping coupons!!" sort. But my sibling and I tend to think of the coupon-clipping phenomenon as a Reaganite phenomenon. It was one of the most obvious manifestations of what Reaganite austerity did to people: they were taught that if they were poor, it was their fault, and anyone could save pennies and become rich thereby if they really wanted to. And who doesn't want to feel like they're getting a deal?

Coupon-clipping ended up feeling like some kind of grotesque parody of an entertaining board game. Instead of shuffling cards to get you through a fantasy dungeon you were shuffling bits of paper, cut out from newspapers and print advertisements and other sources, in an attempt to navigate the treacherous lands of 1980s Reaganite "personal responsibility". There must surely have been some deep and malevolent marketing calculus involved in deciding what store items got to have coupons printed for them—did anyone who zealously clipped coupons (like our RL mother) ever wonder just why a corporation dedicated to bleeding its customers dry would ever deign to take pity on them, even to the extent of trimming a few cents off the price of a can of beans? The coupon-clipping game feels a bit like some canny corporate accountants figured out how to outsource part of their store-pricing algorithms to "the consumers", who dutifully spent hours a week sorting through colorful coupons and doing intricate arithmetic on behalf of supermarket chains, while trying to pretend that it was both a fun thing to do, and that it was socially responsible.

The 1980s were big on "consumer's rights" as a kind of phoney-baloney substitute or proxy for the civil rights activism that the Reaganite Republicans were determined to pretend had "gone too far". The new official line, enforced in terms of what kind of news stories got the most play in the press, was roughly: if you're unhappy, it's because you need to buy better products. And if you feel like you can't buy good products, then agitate for better ones! Frisk and I kinda fell for this "consumer's rights" stuff for a while. We were children being brought up in whıte suburban America; it was easy for us to be duped into thinking that we were going to improve people's lives by going after false advertising and agitating for better washing machines and so forth. "Consumer's rights" engendered the kind of fussy, excessive concern about consumer products and "comparison shopping" that also fed into preoccupation with coupon-clipping. We were "consumers", Frisk and I, and therefore it was our duty to be educated and knowledgeable about the products we were being sold.

And now I feel like maybe we should have been heaving bricks through shop windows, instead.

~Chara


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in reply to @pnictogen-wing's post:

idk if you've ever seen the "ultimate couponers" show on TLC, but there is a small but mighty movement of people min-maxxing their dollar with coupons. But then they end up with, like, 50 bottles of French's mustard. They have a huge stockpile of stuff in their house, but it's almost never stuff that is helpful or food they can go through fast enough before it expires.

We grew up in the 90s and part of the reasaon to subscribe to the paper was to get the huge thing of mailers/coupons in the Sunday paper. Also there were mailers for Best Buy and Toys R Us and Kmart, so you could see when the latest video games were coming out and which pre-order bonuses they had.

Nowadays, we are super-stingy about the software we install, but also we are not so strapped for cash that we need to save a buck or two at Mcdonald's using a coupon from their app. We buy a lot of groceries at Trader Joe's, which does not take coupons but has good prices every day, or at Target, where we have the red card (debit version, not the credit card) so we get a 5% discount every purchase. Which is nice, because it works on stuff there's almost never coupons for, like clothes, and also we're not forced to buy certain brands/flavors/quantities.

Also: you probably know all about Bed, Bath and Beyond and those 20% coupons they constantly mailed to people. And how they'd let you break your order up into multiple transactions so you can use multiple coupons in one visit. On the most recent period of things being Bad for bb+b, they really limited how many 20% off coupons they sent out...but everyone was just so used to using them every single time they went to bb+b, they just...stopped going. They didn't want to shop there without the coupon. Subway had a similar issue, everyone was so glommed onto the "5 dollar footlong" bit that they don't want to buy a footlong for more than that.

If there's an Ikea near you, that's the best place to buy Bed, Bath, and Beyond type-stuff, it has everything save for small kitchen appliances and "as seen on tv" crap and the prices are really low. And the Ikea family card program thing lowers the price on some items, too. Also oops I did not mean for this comment to get this long lol

I don't mind long comments at all! I'm a bit horrified to see that there's a reality show about coupon-clipping, and I cued up a clip of it from YouTube and had to stop after about thirty seconds. (okay I just tried to watch a little bit more and stopped again, it's so upsetting somehow)

you point out a big problem with using coupons and discounts as sales promotions—you don't necessary get more sales after that. I remember that being an issue on an old episode of Kitchen Nightmares (the UK show, which was better and less formulaic than the US version): a restaurant owner kept hoping to lure people in with discounts and ended up with a clientele almost exclusively of people who expected cheap food.

Remember Groupon? A lot of businesses actually ended up LOSING money, because they made coupons so big that they were losing money on each sale, AND they needed to have extra people in/pay overtime to deal with the sudden spike in demand. And then customers were upset that service was slow/products were rushed.

Grocery store coupons are good for the grocery store since the manufacture refunds them the value of the coupon, plus a little extra, so the store makes money. But the more often you do coupons, the more you need to jack up the price of everything else/the everyday prices to fix that gap. Hence why Trader Joe's is soooo much cheaper than Safeway (it is kind of ridiculous how expensive Safeway is).

Our day job is digital marketing and we get approached by those coupon code/cashback sites. So when I, as a customer, see one offering 20-30%+ cashback, it really makes me wonder how much the everyday price is artificially inflated!

I don't remember Groupon in fact—though I'm not surprise that some kind of tech startup came into being to try making money from gaming coupons.

and yeah, Safeway has gotten expensive. it's dismaying because it's our local supermarket, and it's such a dismal one