• they/them

plural system in Seattle, WA (b. 1974)
lots of fictives from lots of media, some horses, some dragons, I dunno. the Pnictogen Wing is poorly mapped.

host: Mx. Kris Dreemurr (they/them)

chief messenger and usual front: Mx. Chara or Χαρά (they/them)

other members:
Mx. Frisk, historian (they/them)
Monophylos Fortikos, unicorn (he/him)
Kel the Purple, smol derg (xe/xem)
Pim the Dragon, Kel's sister (she/her)


dog
@dog

Wow - an actual new web browser with its own completely original rendering engine, not based on Chrome/Firefox/Safari. Never thought I’d see the day! Still early in development though


Brisken
@Brisken

Yeah no. I think I'm just gonna stick with Firefox for the time being.


pnictogen-wing
@pnictogen-wing

seriously, fuck all of it. fuck the "apolitical" right-wing programmers, fuck non-profit capitalism (it's still capitalism), fuck web browsers, fuck HTTP and HTML, fuck all of it—can someone actually explain to me why the World Wide Web has practically become the only way that people intercommunicate through the Internet? is this really it, forever? is trying to struggle into the market with a new web browser the only hope for getting a better public Internet experience?

all this technology and everyone does the same few things with it. what's going on here?

I'm hopeless with computers so all the people who know what they're talking about can tell me the reasons why we're stuck with web browsers, why this is the only good way to do things now.

~Chara


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in reply to @dog's post:

I used to work with the founder of this project back when I worked on WebKit at Apple. I...am unsure I will trust the direction he'll take this. I don't think he's Brendan Eich level bad, but I would need to refresh my memory.

As a company, mostly their extreme embrace of AI and shitty business practices (there was an entire class action lawsuit over them not paying out properly to employees they laid off for instance).

But the bigger issue to me rather than Shopify itself is just the fact that they are being funded by large corporations and co-founded by a billionaire. As much as they say "they're one time donations with no strings attached!", there's always strings attached, because you might want another one of those one time donations. There's no reason to believe a browser like that isn't just trying to become Chrome 2.

Yeah, this sucks. :/ That was three years ago, so hopefully he's less of a jerk now? But I have nothing to go on one way or another.

(I do feel like a thread full of strangers saying "fedi sent me" running in to yell at him isn't going to change his mind though)

just reread other comments and I hope he's not a dick. and I think it's really REALLY important to develop genuinely new alternative players in the browser space for so so so many reasons. And the "oh the new thing might not be perfect so I'll stick with my daddy warcrimes browser" take doesn't feel like It, to me!! this is probably the spiciest and stupidest I've been yet on cohost to be honest, and it makes sense it's about some fuckin tech, lol. god, me, why am I like this

It is really important, but this seems like a billionaire corporate project funded by large corporations and I don't see why it wouldn't just do the same shit that Chrome already does, just with a different set of guys getting the payoff for it.

It's not about it being perfect, it's about it just...going the exact same way. And it's going to be quite a few years before we even see this thing in any meaningful way, so right now it's just A Billionaire And His Annoying Dev Bro Getting Money From Shopify For Their Startup. It's not much to get excited about when there's not even a browser to look at.

It's super important that we have more browsers out there, but the whole point of having more browsers out there is to be able to escape the nightmare strangleholds that Google and Apple are putting out there on the web, and I don't have a lot of confidence that these two particular guys are interested in doing that instead of just interested in getting a paycheck until they can bail.

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