• they/them

plural system in Seattle, WA (b. 1974)
lots of fictives from lots of media, some horses, some dragons, I dunno. the Pnictogen Wing is poorly mapped.

host: Mx. Kris Dreemurr (they/them)

chief messenger and usual front: Mx. Chara or Χαρά (they/them)

other members:
Mx. Frisk, historian (they/them)
Monophylos Fortikos, unicorn (he/him)
Kel the Purple, smol derg (xe/xem)
Pim the Dragon, Kel's sister (she/her)


arjache
@arjache

An actual demo video for BeOS! I remember reading a lot of magazine articles about it, and I tried their x86 downloadable version in the later era of BeOS when they were flailing around for an alternate market, but this is the first time I’ve seen video promotional material for it.

Some thoughts:

  • The intro was weirdly disappointing from a modern perspective. Reading about symmetric multiprocessing in PC Magazine was exciting. Seeing some guys in an office and going oh, it was just another Menlo Park startup is depressing.
  • Half the stuff they tout in the video is so mundane I forgot it used to be an actual issue (playing music while doing literally anything else on the computer without it skipping) and half of it is genuinely impressive (streaming a bunch of audio tracks from disk with various spatial filters being adjusted in real time.)
  • BeOS let you set a different color depth on each virtual desktop so you could easily preview your work at 256 colors vs 64k colors vs millions of colors. This is completely wild. I had no idea it could do that. I’ve never heard of another OS that supported this.

pnictogen-wing
@pnictogen-wing

...most of our residual interest in computers and programming died with it. we are only getting back into things extremely slowly, after a couple decades.

it felt like the last gasp of a certain...I dunno, style of computing where it was expected that your OS would have everything you needed to play with it, including documentation for its own API, all ready to go, with a minimum of muss and fuss. and no, I don't think any Linux experience I've had is even remotely like that.

~Chara


atax1a
@atax1a

we ran BeOS on our laptop in college for a while and it was really good. there was an IM client wherein your buddy list was just a file browser window pointed at your contacts, and the backend daemon manipulated those files according to their online status, because the filesystem was a true database and this was supported


confusedcharlot
@confusedcharlot

BeOS could have been the post Classic future of Apple, but they bought NeXT instead...


pnictogen-wing
@pnictogen-wing

I think its polish and usability improved with time but my interest in Apple machines withered once Steve Jobs came back and the operating system turned into this "lickable" thing that honestly looked and behaved more someone reskinned Windows than anything I felt was really Mac-like. "hey look the window buttons are red yellow and green like traffic lights! and they're all close together so you can hit the wrong one accidentally!!" "so, what's the advantage of this new arrangement?" "....they're lickable! and they look like traffic lights!"

I guess we're dating ourselves here. we were genuinely fond of 1990s Apple, which at least seemed like they were interested in innovation sometimes instead of slick repackaging.

~Chara


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in reply to @arjache's post:

My favorite BeOS demo was the one with the spinning cube that you could drag Quicktime movies onto the sides of, that then played on the cube while it rotated. I scrubbed through the video and I might've missed it but it looks like they didn't feature that one.

The cube thing sounds familiar but I think you’re right. They showed off a similar one in this video, where they slapped videos onto the pages of a book Myst-style and then they played even as you turned the pages.

in reply to @atax1a's post:

I have a pretty hard lineage in my head of what BeFS meant (e.g., heterogeneous management of data) vs. the rise of the shoebox application and the fall of the filesystem metaphor (all of which I need for everyday professional purposes).

TL;DR: mixing the filesystem OS facility and the filesystem as a user interaction metaphor means confused the shit out of people so hard that Be's stance would have needed serious thinking to stay tenable, and it died anyway with iPhone Software 1.0.

in reply to @confusedcharlot's post:

It's also interesting that Be was Jean-Louis Gassée's company. He was the guy who took over the Macintosh team when Jobs was fired from Apple, he saw that Apple had little chance of competing in the low end market, so he went for enthusiasts, introducing the Macintosh II and SE with color capability and slots, abandoning the computer-as-appliance philosophy that Jobs had tried to enforce. The Mac continued to not sell as well as Apple would like, so Jean-Louis was forced out in 1990, and Apple released the Macintosh LC and Classic immediately after he left in an attempt to grab more cost sensitive customers.

Arguably kicking Jean-Louis out started the Mac's decline. I'm personally most interested in that 1989-1990 period of Macintoshes. System 7 being rewritten in C with some introduced compatibility issues, followed with the PowerPC era...yeah none of that really interests me, and the immediate ballooning of the product line into tons of Performas and PowerMacs and so on...it's rough. I do have to admit that the PowerBook team did a ton of good work between Jean-Louis leaving and Jobs coming back, though.