good news for anyone who saw my post the other week about not liking the writing in hazbin hotel and wanted more of that: i may or may not have ended up writing a 13,000 word medium article about it

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good news for anyone who saw my post the other week about not liking the writing in hazbin hotel and wanted more of that: i may or may not have ended up writing a 13,000 word medium article about it
This made a hellish (rimshot) half-hour Skytrain ride a lot more bearable, thank you
I couldn't even get through reading this, the pilot was good and it was fine but yeah this as a series sounds like it hurts to watch. Look at stuff like the internet short series Chickn Nugget and the artist behind it does a breakdown on character design choices and shows how things got simplified and changed to make things more visually distinct and easier for animators. Even with my own comic @SiliconeValleyComic I made sure to design characters that are simple enough to draw a million times and not introduce too many characters all at once, the main cast is just two characters. I also refrain from using profanity in dialog for the most part even though the main topic is sexuality and adult toys and I don't shy away from drawing the toys in question. Visually the various sizes and shapes do act as punchlines but I try to keep it natural and not wear out jokes.
The absurd moment of seeing a bksy mutual of mine sharing this then coming back to cohost and seeing this being shared by you
so what I'm getting from most of this is that people are gonna talk about this show the way that people my age talk about posting on something awful
edit: why the hell is the television demon the one named vox. what
As I've gotten farther in, the essay, sadly, does confirm most of my suspicions about the show.
From everything I've seen the nicest thing I can probably say about it is that the pilot came out before the last season of The Good Place
watched 4 episodes with some friends because one decided they needed to know and the whole vibe i got of it was that it's just a really bad kids show for adults. its like if newgrounds was a site for girls but still had the same vibe
Haven't watched either of these shows due to having an impression that the writing wouldn't be very good combined with tid bits of drama about the main artist. Didn't seem like it would be for me and reading through this it feels like the show comes up with a few really neat ideas and concepts with solid sources of conflict, which is core to good writing I feel. They take these ideas and do not run with them and are constantly distracted. This definitely confirmed a lot of bad impressions I had about the show and it's fans.
as someone who's kind of a sucker for the Tumblr Sexyman aesthetic, I got four episodes in before giving up because it felt like I was expected to come in already knowing and caring about all these characters
and since I didn't realize the pilot was a mandatory prerequisite, it was just a lot of "wow what a big moment for... whoever that is"
This is exactly what I expected to happen, which is why I didn't watch the show. Thank you for confirming my fears.
That was a hell of a ride.
I can't comment too much but the incoherent character design makes me wince every time, feels like I'm just looking at a sea of profile pictures from people trying to grab my attention at once.
When Mr Rogers told me "Childhood lies at the very heart of who we are and who we become" I was under the impression it meant, embodying wonderment and curiosity, and embracing your innermost feelings without shame - not perma tweening your way through adulthood chanting "sex will always be funny and disgusting".
Anyway, what great read! I appreciate the macro analysis at the end there especially. I definitely agree projects like these should [have the means and right to] exist, if only because the communities and fandoms that emerge from them manage to find or contribute meaning and purpose beyond its origins (ideally disregarding social media exacerbated drama lol).
Its a shame tho, I have the weird feeling sometimes that the kind of, capitalist machinations you mentioned essentially stunt the people involved, and take away from all of us what could have been a uhhh more coherent work, maybe even amazing. I imagine the money and hustling required to pull something like this off came at a cost of introspection and thoughtfulness that never had a chance to foster, like say under a mentorship. (Which you kinda call out to a couple times.)
Anyway thanks I knew Id hate this show it sounds exactly like I imagined from how the screencaps made me feel.
I forced myself to sit through the pilot because I'm one of those sickos who likes to actually form an opinion outside the influence of groupthink.
That said, every single second felt like I was willfully jabbing myself in the eyes with a turkey carver and I look forward to reading something about it that isn't just fandom gush or anti bitching so I don't have to bother with the rest.
Thanks for taking the time.
Yeah I started reading this last night and said "wait lemme watch that pilot first so I have a better idea what I'm reading about".
The animation is pretty impressive for a bunch of amateurs but everything is so busy in a way that's samey but lacking in cohesion, and the writing sucks. It felt like it was hours long instead of 30 minutes because the pacing is so bad. I kinda get why people could get obsessed with the characters but the vibe is very fanficcy. Not in a "fanfic is bad" way but in a "feels like a story told with characters the audience is assumed to already know" kind of way.
Does nothing for me in the same way reading a fanfic for a show I've never seen does.
believe me when i say that watching the pilot in the middle of the amazon series made the pacing of the pilot feel like a breath of fresh air in comparison. it at least has a clear story with a beginning, middle, and end, compared to the amazon show where it just kind of gives you a string of arbitrary scenes that all feel 2-3 times longer than they need to be until they hit the 24 minute mark and roll credits
This show sounds like if someone made an entire series of the Nostalgia Critic The Wall review with equally bad writing, yeesh