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a passively nodal intravenously networked nervous-system fleabag with a smile :)

anarch-esperantisto who enjoys various weird things, like film photography, ham radio, writing systems, and ancient operating systems (win2000 to OS/2 to UNIX),

and big cats!

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hamratza
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garudina
@garudina

I would also like to find another one of these. Taps got a bit too gross for me and I've yet to really replace it.

  • Shangrila exists but is very square and human/canon oriented; it also has a bustling internal lore that ensures I'll never really integrate there
  • FurryMUCK is a monument to itself; well-deserved, but we'd basically have to colonize it if we wanted to have an active community there
  • PFMuck never quite took off, but does seem to still be where it was. Possibly a better candidate for colonization due to not having any well-entrenched natives to clash with.

I haven't really looked into any others.

IndiLatrani
@IndiLatrani

As the admin of PFMuck, I would say: Please colonize it ;)

I actually expect you'd get a decent number of lapsed regulars back. It was reasonably popular back in the day and more-or-less waned through attrition; the core staff has never been the evangelistic sort.

The place has a solid techbase (by MUCK standards...) and infrastructure, and I think most of what it really needs is more folks, especially community boosters. I'm confident in terms of keeping the place running and handling rules issues, but I'm not the one to go to for things like drawing in players and running events.

IndiLatrani
@IndiLatrani

PostfurryMUCK access info

As evidence, for how bad I am at evangelizing, I even forgot to put any info about the place at all in the last post. 🙃

PFMuck has a website at https://postfurry.net/muck/ where you can find out more and request a character. That site also has help docs meant to make the complicated world of MUCK access a bit easier for folks who are new to it.

Would be honored if anyone would be interested in checking it out!

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garudina
@garudina

just wanted to say, if you DO find something, I'd like to know; not that we know each other, but I'm curious what else is out there. I guess my instant assessment of your post was "I will probably never be an interesting roleplay partner for this person, nor they for me, but we're both looking for the same kind of space, and a suitable answer would probably serve both of our interests"

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sloshpuppie
@sloshpuppie

I tend to just bite the bullet and hop on f-list even though it fuckin sucks
My mindset is that if I can find one decent person there to connect with off-site, then it’s a win

I did make a wolfery account but I found the interface too much of a barrier for me to get through

My perception is that I feel like a lot of the old-school style setups require a knowledge of how to use archaic systems which I’m just not familiar with, so I find myself avoiding them altogether

It’s not so much a “too much effort to learn” thing, but more a question as to why things aren’t more accessible

Regardless, would be great to hear of any spaces you find

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lab-reports
@lab-reports

One should keep in mind that a serious hurdle in establishing a viable MU* is that of getting people to actually be present there. The usual track is that you start a MU*, your friends are enthusiastic and all show up; but there are still not that many people there, nothing really happens unless the small userbase initiates it directly, and before long it turns into an idle muck, its users presumably otherwise occupied where the action is. It's really tough to establish an active userbase. I feel the reason FurryMUCK was so successful was simply because it was the only game in town for a short while.

Having said that, perhaps we are at a point where the absence of a 'main' RP venue is felt. Social media in general is in upheaval; maybe this is the time.

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garudina
@garudina

What happened on Tapestries was that WhiteWizard returned from a long hiatus, and we all realized that he really, really likes underaged characters, and also that he really, really likes having absolute power over all he surveys, and abuses that power with a comfort bred of long practice. I can no longer leave a cornerstone of my life in such care.

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doctorwednesday
@doctorwednesday

Frankly the 'absolute power' stuff was going on even when it was his custodians running the place. It was remarkably suggestive of a Stalinist regime. They punish transgressors in a really public way. Violators would have a litany of their crimes against the people posted publicly; there would be lengthy diatribes about how said individuals were fundamentally criminal and subhuman, and of course they were disappeared. Certain topics of discussion are forbidden in public places; you're not allowed to be critical of anyone else in any way, and you're certainly not allowed to criticize the administration (this extends to anywhere outside of Tapestries, too; you will be punished for negative things you say about Taps or its admins). Uneven and capricious enforcement of rules? They've got it! And of course people are happy to rat each other out and settle personal grievances that way. So that's fun!

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doctorwednesday
@doctorwednesday

What community existed on Taps existed in spite of the administration. Years ago there was a place called the Tavern which was extremely popular and became the main hangout on Tapestries; it was deleted basically because it was a popular place the admins didn't have direct control over. There was a popular gay bar called the Lining; it was deleted because WhiteWizard had a tiff with the person who ran it. People who ran themed areas were not allowed to enforce the theme; that gives an unacceptable amount of power to them... eventually the admins built an 'official' admin-owned themed area which as far as I know nobody uses. etc. etc. People eke out their own scenes and try not to say the wrong thing in public.

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doctorwednesday
@doctorwednesday

I feel like I finally figured out the whole situation: Whitefire regards the user agreement as consent for him to top you and for you to be his bottom. In his mind that is the arrangement you accept when you get on to Taps. He's your daddy! Every user is implicitly his sub. So of course you're not allowed to criticize him or do anything he doesn't like, even if you weren't aware he doesn't like it. You're supposed to crawl before him and he's allowed to berate and punish you for any reason or no reason; you agreed to it.

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garudina
@garudina

I think we've discussed before, I'm not sure if I agree with the other comment about Stalinism, but perhaps only because my experience of Taps began during the period when it was basically just Teal, who just wasn't paying any attention to anything I was doing.

But this, this specific thing, exactly comports with my experience of White. I don't know if I ever put it in those terms, but yes, that was my experience of dealing with him precisely. The public ledger of who got punished and why is not an inherently dreadful practice, to me; for instance, it can be used to observe practices which ARE problems, such as the insistence that nobody who disagrees with the wizards' judgment of their actions is allowed to remain on the MUCK. Which was my experience when I said that my polite expression of discomfort couldn't reasonably be called kinkshaming - if I had insisted on that I'm sure I would have been toaded.

But I have a lot of unnecessarily detailed thoughts on how to administer social spaces based on the handful of examples I know the best n.n;

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