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i'm ian, i've got music in my pores—but i love reading, tinkering, and experimenting pretty holistically: a mile across, but only a few inches deep in places. you probably have got an adequate intuition for that if you're here



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(abridged) list of current projects:

🎼final revisions, electronica LP
🀄svg timeline, china's dynastic history
mixed media video essay, chess history


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somewhatnifty
@somewhatnifty

make it so I can post stuff like doot doo dahDOO dootdedootde doodahdoodoo and have everyone know what song i mean but without me having to say it. what do you mean how would that work I don't know I'm just the ideas lady


SArpnt
@SArpnt

we need to make mml more popular, it seems like the kind of thing that you could learn and just type without having to listen to it

shouldn't be any harder than learning toki pona, the sort of thing that seems quite easy to learn and many people with more focus than me do (i don't despite that it would benefit me quite a bit to learn)

EDIT: i looked into it a bit more and i'm realizing wikipedia is missing a lot of information and many pages relating to mml aren't helpful and all lead to dead links. i'll make a post putting together what mml information i can find in a bit


rem
@rem

i fundamentally think text-based music representations are always going to come up short for most people, because they are read like text, (like guitar tablature and tracker interfaces) and not like shapes in space (like piano roll and western sheet music). those are, as far as i understand, two different process neurologically, and with practice the latter enables sightreading as an extremely fruitful skill, and a level of visual intuition tied to the realized sound of the music that can be breathtaking in itself.


rem
@rem

sorry to drive-by use an innocent stranger's musings for a quasi-tirade/manifesto tease, but i have actually been thinking about this specific problem of music representation a lot the past few weeks, might have something to show off for it soon, stay tuned...


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in reply to @somewhatnifty's post:

in reply to @rem's post:

not quite sure what you mean by "come up short" here. do you think that most people wouldn't be able to read it even if they tried learning? or just that people would have trouble reading it? or something else?

you mention guitar tabs and trackers, but i don't have trouble reading those. i have quite a bit more trouble with piano rolls and sheet music because although it's easy for me to see what direction the pitch has changed, i have trouble seeing what it changed to, which is pretty much always necessary, unlike the direction. i can very easily read trackers, chord symbols, and strumming patterns.

yeah, sorry if i was unclear! so, correct me if i'm wrong, but in my own experience and what i've read from others, someone who has gotten good at reading sheet music can look at this and pretty immediately hear what it sounds like in their head, because they don't need to manually scan through the text and read each individual number in sequence., they can perceive the entire shape intuitively like one does with objects in real life.

i don't expect anyone to do that with mml. i expect people to read mml at maybe 75% reading speed and get the idea. it's about being able to shove music into anywhere you can put text to convey the message.

sheet music is good and all, but it requires learning a LOT more, it takes significantly longer to write, it takes up more space, and you can't put it in irc.

also, saying something about sheet music doesn't mean it isn't true for other formats. text doesn't have any guiding shape like sheet music, it's filled with plenty of nonsense, and you can almost certainly read it far easier. you can even figure out tone despite a lot of that information not even being there at all.

i think mml has plenty of downsides for readability, it's very clearly a computer format without readability taken into much consideration. i just said that one in particular because the important parts are standardized, it's easy to extend, and it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult.

certainly! we don't disagree on anything ☺. the last thing i want to do is come off as a snob or dismissive, i think learning something is always better than learning nothing. could've phrased it better, sorry if i came off that way! i just thought it was neat to explore these pros and cons while thinking of how it's best to facilitate music education ☺