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It's been an interesting week and it has me thinking about labor in the software industry.

There's a lot of talk about toxic cultures that create crunch and harassment. There's a well-known history of exploiting developers who think it's their dream job. These people are cut to the bone because it's assumed that there's a thousand starry-eyed candidates in line behind them waiting to voluntarily get churned up instead.

But what if the pay is good? And the culture is good? And you're being taken care of with raises and benefits? What if you like everyone in your department and morale is high and people openly discuss their pay and conditions and everything a union might fight for is mostly taken care of?


DecayWTF
@DecayWTF

Even if things are good! Especially if things are good! Yes, just walk out if things are untenable and there's no successful organizing campaign in the tolerably near future, but something this take is missing is that this is part of the reason the industry is so fucked up.

When I started at my current job many years ago, the median retention at my company was less than two years. It wasn't considered good for your career to stay in a single tech role for more than two years because that wasn't the way to getting a good jump in pay, career progression by promotion was considered a thing of the past (much like unions!), and if you stayed in a job too long it would look like you weren't Sufficiently Ambitious and it would limit not only your current role but any future prospects.

This leads to no worker solidarity, even down to people talking about the hours they work. This leads to companies feeling free to run their people into the ground because they're just gonna fucking leave no matter what you do anyway, might as well get what you can. This leads to people not having any stability in their lives and being willing to take the next shit job that's gonna run them into the ground.

This is systemic and the capitalists are not gonna break it for us. ORGANIZE YOUR WORKPLACE.


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in reply to @britown's post:

Of course there's always worker-owned collectives! A certain social media site come to mind. But we can't all be 1/4th of Cohost's staff.

sorry Bri but I am imagining that the entire Cohost userbase could get to submit pull requests as a singular collective, something similar to the "audience" in Jackbox games. haven't entirely worked it out yet but i think there's something there

also hey good post sorry about your job (presumably) but your work's always incredible

When the clock tolls and the executives fuck it all up, it might be time to just move on to the next thing.

The clock tolled for me today. Boss fired me because he disagreed on the number of hours I worked, though I think he's been trying to get rid of me for a while because I expect him to pay me and do the things he says he'll do.

Anyway, the issue is, I'm now stranded without a job with just 1 and a half year's experience at a shitty startup, without any money because he was awful at paying me, and no degree because I can't afford it. I'd love to move on to the next thing, but I can't seem to find anybody else who's willing to hire somebody with the small amount of experience I have.

What am I supposed to do?

I'm so sorry you're in this position I really am. I've sat in your exact position, no degree, nobody willing to take a chance on low experience. Hell I would have killed for a whole year of dev experience to have on a resume.

I can tell you that I have years later interviewed and positively recommended people in that position. Not just because I'm sympathetic, there's certainly shops who care far more about drive and interest level than degrees and experience. A candidate like that succeeds by having side projects, some code we can go read. Keeping up with the craft self taught even when it's not your job is a huge indicator of value on a resume to me.

Don't let the lack of qualifications drag you down. Send your resume and applications off as though the listings don't even mention them. Know your CS, be ready to talk about work you've done and I think you'll land in a good place eventually.

Hang in there!! :host-love:

in reply to @DecayWTF's post:

Unless I'm really mistaken, I don't think that mergers and acquisitions are something collective action can prevent. If the money dries up and the doors get closed the union can meet in the parking lot. Yes people get driven into the ground and bad companies worry about attrition but it's not really what my post is about. Rather that as long as investors and execs are writing the checks you can never be sure your work will come to anything.

Edit: sorry if I'm being combative, I'm sleepy and sad

Edit edit: people should organize their workspaces. There's a lot to improve before brushing up against the existential consequence of the existence of owners.

Organized labor has frequently blocked mergers, acquisitions, divestments and the like. Particularly if the CBA puts requirements on the employers in the case of layoffs, which most do. Like there's a very long history of this; it's part of the reason massive offshoring didn't start happening aggressively in the global north until the 80s when union power had been sufficiently weakened.