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chief executive dysfunction officer. few of my posts are high-effort, but at least they're funny.
current avatar is an old art by fireflufferz because i'm bored with having michiru pfps.
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Xylaria
@Xylaria

it's fascinating how our whole infrastructure basically relies on either predatory investors gambling that they can build a userbase and find a way to milk them, or on ad money being manipulated by the whims of billionaires and faceless megacorps.

nothing is sacred or safe, everything we rely on is prone to dying at any moment, and everything we say and do is being sold to the highest bidder and used to try and sell us shit.

i have a deep, deep loathing of capitalism for all of this.


Sheri
@Sheri

to answer the question that is always asked of "well, what platform should we be using instead?"... that's the wrong question

these are all fucked. this industry is fucked, capitalism just does this to any application that requires a continual revenue stream to upkeep. the more users, the more cost; the more potential revenue from those users. yet now that there isn't a good alternative, they can alleviate their bottom line with further cost saving measures and streamlining functionality of the platform into the safest, most effectively moderatable user information generating algorithm.*

a new platform won't save you. co-host is just as liable to someday fall down this road as any other platform online. there isn't perfection to be found just as there's no consumption ethical here: find the place where your friends are that is causing the least active harm and strife and try to make it better yourselves.

stop waiting for someone to make the co-host of chatrooms. nothing is sacred or safe indeed, so let's all try to focus on what actually matters here: talking to humans, meeting with your friends. discord sucks but it's where my friends are, so we're trying to make it better from within. eventually that'll break.

it's like the co-op all my friends are staying at with the leaky roof, they know it's not going to last. but they can still be there and talk to each other for another day, keeping eyes out for anything better, until it all comes crashing down and they're forced to look for a half-way decent alternative to nothing.

that's what's fucked under capitalism here, unless you have wealth you are only ever allowed things that are Good Enough until those are destroyed and we find the next Good Enough thing to cling to. we shouldn't make ourselves suffer by trying to forcefully abandon one Good Enough for another until something actually better exists. but that doesn't happen on its own, we have to make it happen.

*last i checked discord still isn't selling user data but i would not be surprised if that changed eventually


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in my head the difference is "therefore" feels past/present tense, and "therefor" feels present or hypothetical future tense

as in "there but for the grace of god..." with less hesitation i suppose lol

pronouncing is different emphasis too. "thereFORE" vs "THEREfor"

I enjoyed the article immensely, and agree with the points on VC funding leading to feature creep
… until people realize that growth will not happen and the company goes under, which feels like it could have been the closer, instead of the discord rename thingy, which felt a bit … longish? Like I felt the examples before that were a bit stronger.

I was hoping for a mention that Discord essentially implemented part of a petname system, missing out on the (in my mind) crucial “global ID as telephone number” aspect.

But nonetheless, really enjoyed it!

running up against my limitations as a writer, haha!

i was unaware of this 'petnames system' but reading it now and it's nice to know this concept has and has had a name! companies seem to be working backwards to justify making something exist which, really, shouldn't exist in the first place.

the discord renaming event was a pretty massive deal at the time, but it seems the discussion around it has cooled with time. so now with hindsight, it does take up a lot of the piece, even with how much i cut. that said, the way i see it, we're still in the collapsing stage of discord; it feels dishonest for me to end on a note of users jumping ship when that is definitively not happening. at least not yet.

perhaps the original ordering of the posts worked better for that? talking about discord alternatives second. they work as examples of both the ills of chat platforms in general but also to the point that, there aren't good alternatives right now.

regardless, thanks for the constructive criticism, and glad you enjoyed!

Very well put together write up, thank you for covering this. As a casual Discord user I'd mostly swatted away these pop ups, but I didn't realize just how much he has been pointlessly added. The VC churn sucks so much; bless cohost for avoiding that.

part of why i wanna keep doing the work here. there are people to talk to here, stories to read, input to get! all without the filter of 'of course we also know we're funded by this so we can't talk too much shit'

compiling afterwards is good, but the real conversation happens where the people are :>

So what are we gonna move to? Hmm? I hear doom and gloom all the time, but nothing about mobilization. This seems like a Twitter situation, we just need someone to explain what unseen or unused alternatives are out there already.

in reply to @Xylaria's post:

still a really great article.

another funny thing they did since this was posted was they've been doing those funny little limited-time profile pic borders for holidays for a while, which you could add to your profile pic for free if you had nitro, and now the december ones are all separate payments in the "store", because of course they would.

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