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kadybat
@kadybat

i will never, in my entire life, understand how masking fell out of favor "after" the pandemic--which I put in quotes because, really, the pandemic isn't over, millions are still dying, long COVID is a prevailing disability among young adults, and immunocompromised people remain at risk, perhaps greater now than ever.

the 2004 SARS outbreak made masking effectively a social norm in East Asia and other impacted regions, particularly during the winter and other infectious seasons. you go on public transit? mask. you go to comiket? mask. sure, not everyone masks all the time, but masking has been normal abroad for a pretty long time now, especially when feeling ill.

when COVID hit i genuinely thought that moment was going to happen in the US. regardless of what happened with COVID, i thought, this is our mask moment, this is when wearing a mask during peak seasons for the spread of respiratory disease becomes socially normal.

instead, the second it stopped being a requirement, masks became seen as some oppressive force. planes, public transit, grocery stores, whatever, if it's not required, people aren't masking. and why the fuck is that? we unlocked a socially acceptable cheat code for entirely avoiding social perception at the fuckin costco and y'all don't want that for some reason???? it genuinely makes no sense.

because here's the thing--for the vast majority of people, masking is comically easy. maybe causes some ear strain, whatever. the vast majority of people do not have to worry about glasses fog, or oxygen intake issues, or material allergies, or any other barriers to masking. even someone like me, for whom masking can actually be a pain in the ass because of glasses, i've figured out ways to make it work fine, whether it's nose clips or just buying a better mask with a better seal.

the science has told us time and time again that masking genuinely helps reduce the risk of respiratory illness. masking, and vaccines, reduce the risk of infection or reinfection, and masks in particular lower the viral load taken in during an infectious event. a lower viral load means reduced duration of illness and reduced long COVID risk. and it's so easy! and yet we just... fuck it, i want the fucking stewardess to be able to see my face at all times, who cares, time to cough on the subway.

like. how. how is masking such a sticking point for people. literally just do it. and not "until the pandemic is over," but every single winter, every single uptick in the spread of respiratory illness. just mask. it's better for you and your fellow humans, and frankly there are very few compelling reasons not to.


rotsharp
@rotsharp

we all live in a world where we now understand better how easily people may be induced to become accessory to genocide

act accordingly


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masking is fucking amazing. up until i had to move back home with someone who has given up on masking, i went about four years without catching anything horrible, despite working retail and living in close quarters with two other people who also worked retail. it's the longest i've ever been well in my entire life. i miss it so much and i'm so angry

I've gotten sick so much less since masking, and only got sick the last two years. I don't mask as much out in the open air, but inside, every time I do, and it works

I don't understand why especially traveling, people don't. Airplanes are notorious for being disease vectors, do you not want to protect yourself from that??

I feel the same way, but also I feel much more comfortable wearing a mask now that they've have been introduced as a norm (as opposed to pre-covid). When I learned that it's normal in east Asia to wear a mask when you're sick, I wished that was the case for my area overseas because going out with a mask on would definitely be unconventional and I didn't need to be more socially anxious and self conscious. Now, even if the majority of people in my area have generally stopped wearing masks, it's very normal to be seen wearing a mask, and I'm very appreciative of that cultural shift. I wish that people would be more ready to regularly wear masks when ill or out of consideration for others (myself included, sensory issues aside).

You're absolutely right — unfortunately, very few people are making strictly rational decisions about wearing masks, to a degree that feels like it's beyond even most other decisions that everyone makes throughout their daily lives.

As far as I can tell, the Not That Factually Compelling reasons, most of which relate to small inconveniences which arise literally every time one wears a mask, have more sway for most people than a long list of extremely real reasons to mask which are largely probabilistic in nature, really. (Which has been worsened by propaganda which has been extremely effective at ratcheting up the subjective inconvenience people interpret from the experience of wearing a mask while downplaying the severity and probability of known harmful outcomes from not wearing a mask.)

"this reminds me of the lockdowns", "but I can't eat while wearing this", "I don't want to spend $100 a year on masks", and "but I'm going to look like a dork wearing this when no one else does" just… …get weighed as more important than, like, a 1% risk of getting infected in any given situation × (a 5% risk of Long COVID + an effective Rt of 1.05), despite the cumulative probability of not wearing a mask having adverse outcomes being quite high, over a long enough period of time.

It's deeply annoying! But, like, when someone is largely working on the level of vibes-based reasoning, which seems to be the norm for most day-to-day decision-making for many people, that's… … …what's going to happen. 🙃

This is completely unfounded but I do wonder sometimes if there isn’t genuine viral host manipulation happening with people. We know things like toxoplasmosis, rabies, et al do it, and we don’t know a whole lot about SARS2 despite best (hamstrung) efforts. I can’t make sense of this behavior any other way.

this becomes a lot more clear when you are aware of the specific similarities between america during covid and america during the 1918 pandemic: from nationalist propaganda right down to objecting to masks specifically because they are muzzles and unmanly.

if there is no rational means of protesting what protects life, those who do so must necessarily use irrational ones, since their goal is eroding the ability of life to resist power

the amount of people that publicly hooted and harrawed about how the virus was gonna kill off the "dirty homeless" is horrifying to me. And like I know it's just bc of solipsism but it's so absurd to me that this viewpoint prevails when like the vast majority of ppl have been or will be homeless at some point in their life.

I tried, but it was too hard to maintain after three years. To start with, I was spending about $40-50/month on masks, $2/each for N95s. Which I couldn't afford. The price might have gone down since last year, but that's what I was paying locally.

The experience was awful. I have sinus issues that nose clips exacerbated. I'd end up sneezing a lot (and be faced with either lifting my mask to sneeze into a tissue or sleeve or fouling my $2 mask).

My sinuses would close up and leave me mouth-breathing. Which caused my mask to get soaked with aspiration by noon (and dehydrated the hell out of me). And if I was really breathing heavy, I'd suck my mask into my mouth. I had to learn to hold my jaw a certain way to keep the mask out of my mouth, and it wasn't foolproof--I choked on one at work hauling equipment around after sucking the entire thing straps and all into my mouth.

I had constant skin problems from the wet mask rubbing on my face, the clips on my nose, and twin grooves of sores on my ears where the mask ties were pulling my ear cartilage away from my skull and rubbing constantly.

I only do it for large events, now. I know I should do it more, but daily masking is hard, expensive, and uncomfortable.

You don't need to replace an N95 every time you wear it! It's safe to reuse them several times before replacing. You should be able to cut your costs down substantially. You can probably also get them cheaper than $2 each; here in Canada, I can find CAN95s and N95s for $1 each or less in larger packs.

Most of the MasksForAll groups recommend P100 respirators if you are broke and unable to buy replacement N95s on the regular.

The only reason why you don't see P100s is because they are not something you can easily give to complete strangers.

I've had most of these issues. Even the 'cheap' surgical masks aren't cheap when you have to replace them because they're getting damp.

for a data point, I do wear a mask, when it is safe for me to do so. but right now, I live in Long Island. Eastern LI.

  • I've been denied service and told to leave establishments for masking.
  • I've been harassed, if not heckled, if I mask in public, especially in dense and crowded places like restaurants or the DMV.
  • I've seen people at jobs have particularly nasty customers at them when masked.
  • As soon as "the pandemic is over", New York 180'ed entirely on covid policy, and now I can't even get a vaccine if I need one, without paying out of pocket.
  • Bosses here have been putting no-mask policies on their employees, emboldened by the In-n-Out decision to do the same.

People in my area act towards masks, the way we do on this website towards CyberTruck owners. This is full-on Trump Truck Territory, complete with 30-foot flags in lifted diesel truckbeds.

In addition to these, I'm pretty sure I caught extremely early COVID, and mostly recovered from it - before I went to PAX East in Boston in 2020, before it was a declared pandemic in the US. Testing, vaccines and contact-tracing wouldn't be a thing for another month at least, though. But this means I've always had a very hard time breathing through masks, especially when they'd get damp.

The only places I've seen it "acceptable" to mask up around here, is on public transit, or at the doctor's office.

I'm leaving, and warning others not to move here, for this and many other reasons. I've had it here.

It's summer in Melbourne, and the number of people I'm hearing on transit / etc with nasty coughs is depressing. Genuinely feels like a lot of people have just settled into being sick all the time and treating it like it's normal?

there are more than a few of us on here, worry not! for example, a lot of my own consciousness around covid and immunocompromised folks comes directly from @shel, who has done far more direct activism for masking and the needs of the immunocompromised than i have.

it's mind blowing to me that i have to explain myself over and over again because i always wear masks in public gatherings. people legitimately talk to me like im crazy over it, while i feel like the only sound-thinking person in the room!! i bring like four masks with me everywhere i go. it's not just a health practice, as far as im concerned, it's common fucking courtesy.