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kropotkin goes on at length about how communist scrip of whatever kind runs the risk of duplicating money problems and so on and i am on board for the most part, but:

how is his proposed system of volunteer-labor for specialized goods and wants ultimately different? if you want a telescope you go talk to the people who do telescopes and trade some quantity of free time in their service until you have done a telescopes worth of service for the local astronomical society or whatever. seems reasonable.


im sick. i have a precious few useful hours each day and not anywhere near the ten he presumes people should be able to contribute to communal and personal endeavors. i would become/remain impoverished due to sickness. for someone like me, if this custom does not acknowledge or recognize disability fluently, does it not run the risk of replicating exactly the problems he lays at the feet of statists? he scoffs at the idea of an eight-hour labor note issued by an authority, but anyone who has been sick and ignored recognizes the ability for any person with a resource to fill that role. decentralizing and informalizing a labor currency (he proposes 5 hour "half days" as a unit of measure) still creates avenues for social tension to create prejudicial lack even if nobody can, strictly, oppress through accumulation.

i do not think, given the rest of the text dealing with the disposition of sick people and especially his shockingly modern disavowal of laziness in contrast with very european and timely views on other subjects, that kropotkin himself would think that people who cannot should be denied their telescopes. but i do think that this can become an implicit means-testing for social participation when faced with people like me who have perhaps two "productive" hours a day, if that. i have met enough shitty anarchists who regard my life as an unfortunate contrivance to be swallowed up by the wild just like the cities we should abandon (etc) to believe that this reading is uncommon in our nazi-poisoned psychic well, unfortunately


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BreadCon here talks explicitly about how "laziness" is often what we would today call disability by environmental injury and that we should do our utmost to provide rehabilitation for such people which is Way More than i expect from even current radicals on the whole, but has nothing to address those who cannot be cured or remediated

I don't think we're ever going to get rid of money. Currency and trade existed before capitalism, and they will exist afterwards. Money was invented to make trade more convenient, and as a bonus it can be easily distributed to people who can't work. Getting rid of money would be really bad actually, I think. Especially if you replaced it with trading things or labor. Like you said, disabled people aren't able to work as much, so they'd end up "poor" because of that. But also, trading things means moving those things, which is also harder if you're disabled

i need to read more in this area, but the history of currency itself as a tool to support the drafting of armies is long and predates capitalism as you say; that being said, i think lots of solutions that involve some kind of Trade Medium are not sufficiently killing the old world enough in their conception.

imagine one where everything is available in a library-like arrangement, freely available to anyone, but more importantly, linked in the way that libraries today are linked by interlibrary loan systems. kropotkin says the cities and the villages should be reconciled by the stores and manufactories making available for all their goods to everyone, instead of subordinating the people who make food under the people who finish goods. i agree but am uncertain why he doesnt think everything should follow this path, not just necessities.

you want a telescope! the local astronomical society produces occasionally surplus telescopes, which are then made available through this omnilibrary. no surplus telescopes are available at this time, but the helpful librarian does a little search on the fantasy communism database and tells you that the astronomical society a few cities over has some, and that library can send one to your library in their next regular ILL shipment. you can keep this telescope or return it to the library when you no longer have need of it.

the library of things is a popular concept these days and i see no reason why basically anything that isnt hazardous to handle or transport couldnt be distributed to anyone anywhere by this means, even across great distances, though perhaps (and hopefully tbh) much slower than many of us shopping online think of it today.