Ryusui

@ryusui

"It's the greatest day."

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Ryusui @ryusui11/20/2022, 8:48 PM

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🌈Wings & Strings @TomColetti11/20/2022, 12:05 PM

so a while back Dragoneer once used my art of bubsy punching nazis as a both-sides deflection from why they were allowing pro-nazi imagery on FurAffinity. Today FA just removed that painting because apparently showing nazis getting punched is against their ToS now. I was on the fence about whether i'd post there again in case twitter went under but after this dogshit display of absolute cowardice from them in the face of such a basic inalienable concept as "nazis are bad," then they can eat shit

Ryusui @ryusui11/20/2022, 8:48 PM

this is going to end up being a thing where the site that wants to feed everyone's artwork to Picasso Skynet is going to turn out to be the only one that's not owned and operated by overt Nazi apologists, isn't it

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Ajax B. Coriander @Saintajax3311/20/2022, 12:53 PM

Wait, that's the bobcat one right? Didn't that violate rule:

"2.12 Content Involving Real Hate Groups or Terrorist Organizations Content which displays imagery, language, or rhetoric associated with real world hate groups (e.g. Nazism, ISIS, KKK), terrorists, mass murderers, or serial killers is not allowed whether that content promotes, denounces, or incidentally features these groups and their symbols."

There's a long history as to why this was put into place, but basically under the old rule set people were using porn to get around their old ban on promoting nazism. So they decided just to make a line in the sand, and ANYTHING that has nazi/confederate nonsense/kkk symbolism in place gets yeeted, wether promoting or denouncing. That way they wouldn't have to constantly deal with appeals from nazis claiming their stuff didn't violate the aup for xyz.

https://www.furaffinity.net/aup

🌈Wings & Strings @TomColetti11/20/2022, 12:58 PM

it's a dumb rule. you can ban pro-nazi content and keep anti-nazi content and just throw pro-nazi support tickets in the trash, it's not hard to do.

Ajax B. Coriander @Saintajax3311/20/2022, 1:07 PM

While I agree, I understand why they do it. FA uses a volunteer moderation staff from all around the world. If you have to look at something, and decide how nuanced it is every time, it bogs down the process. More so if you're not super familiar with the hate group stuff that's specific to the USA. It's easier to just have a blanket ban. If I recall, back when they put this rule in place, they were just constantly being smashed with support tickets by nazi fucks disputing their content being taken down.

And over all, it's like rule "3.3 Indecent Photography", if this wasn't in place, people would just constantly be trying to worm their way around it. Having a clear cut rule helps with moderation and gives them something to point to when things are removed.

🌈Wings & Strings @TomColetti11/20/2022, 1:09 PM

the answer to this is not to remove antifascist art by caving to nazi pressure it is to ban the damn nazis

Ze Heavy Lupine @ZHL11/21/2022, 2:35 PM

Have you ever heard of "Depictions are not endorsement"?

Ajax B. Coriander @Saintajax3311/21/2022, 2:59 PM

Isn't that what corpos say when they do anything vaguely related to gay people to not piss off conservatives?

Kinda sus, imo.

Ze Heavy Lupine @ZHL11/21/2022, 3:18 PM

Corporations who are only after money anyway can choose to wield that phrase however they wish. But it is entirely possible to separate a depiction of fascism from an endorsement of one. You just have to be willing to dig your heels into the sand and not cave to fascist excuses.

Ajax B. Coriander @Saintajax3311/21/2022, 5:35 PM

Which is exactly why I think a zero tolerance rule is so important. If someone was waving a nazi flag in real life, I'd expect it to be ripped out of their hand and trashed.

I personally love that FA has the line in the sand it does.

Ze Heavy Lupine @ZHL11/21/2022, 8:46 PM

This is less of a "zero tolerance" rule and more of a "I don't want to deal with this topic" rule. Banning things purely on whether or not you are comfortable with it is a HORRIBLE rule, and is exactly why Dragoneer is tolerant toward zoophiles

Ajax B. Coriander @Saintajax3311/22/2022, 5:15 AM

It's a rule. That has no wiggle room. And is enforced uniformly.

It is literally zero tolerance.

You're trying to bend over backwards to allow people to simp over drawing swastikas. It's kind of weird.

Ze Heavy Lupine @ZHL11/23/2022, 3:32 PM

??????

Creating depictions of Nazis that clearly show they are in the wrong and are a plague on society is NOTHING like "simping over drawing swastikas". I'm not even going to argue on that, I'm done.

Μάρκος @postgarf11/20/2022, 12:59 PM

wow that is extremely not cool on fa's part! kinda gross, even!!!

Takel @takelgryph11/20/2022, 5:40 PM

amazing how Dragoneer's defenders are going on about how it's impossible to write a rule that bans Nazi propaganda but allows Bubsy to punch out Nazis even if they have a swastika armband

and by amazing i mean "of fucking COURSE they are"

Anastasia @rudeanaseal11/20/2022, 7:45 PM

Fucking hell, that's awful. Guess that answers the question of whether I should go on FA more. I'm sorry they're screwing you over like that, the piece is awesome.

📼 Ibly 🏳️‍⚧️ θΔ @EeveeEuphoria11/20/2022, 7:56 PM

it's shit like this that makes me thankful every time i resist my urge to sign up to furaffinity, despite every other furry saying "lol just suck it up and deal with the website that hasn't been updated since 1564"

Bullshit @Bullshits-smut11/20/2022, 11:23 PM

Ah man that sucks. Is there a good alternative to FA? I'm still kinda new at this whole furry thing and it's the main place I post my art cause I'm a basic bitch and it's the big furry site?

Ze Heavy Lupine @ZHL11/21/2022, 2:47 PM

People used to use twitter as The Big Furry Site if they didn't like FA. Now that twitter is strapped with a detonator I'm seeing Cohost and Itaku.ee be the most popular replacements. Cohost just has some short-term technical functions to get over, but Itaku.ee I fear in the long term because it has similarly bad takes on bigotry, AND fetish content.

Bullshit @Bullshits-smut11/21/2022, 11:40 PM

Thanks for the response. Guess it's good thing I got started on this cohost thing then.

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