ryusui

"It's the greatest day."

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maker of tiny games | navigator of retail chaos | artist | FFXIV fan (Ryusui Teira@Brynhildr) | he/him | trans rights are human rights | death to crypto


MOOMANiBE
@MOOMANiBE

I think if I were to describe cohost's biggest success it would be in making a site whose core design was so repellent to clout-chasing press and influencer types that I never have to worry about anything I say being picked up and turned into an article


MOOMANiBE
@MOOMANiBE

it's good to make a community that annoying people hate imo


chirasul
@chirasul

something i've been thinking a lot about lately is: when you see a post on a website such as twitter or tumblr or wherever, it is impossible to not see the number. the number of shares it got, the number of likes it got, the number of interactions it got. etc. and going back to those sites after being on cohost a lot, i cant help but confront this question: what are those numbers for? i mean what are they REALLY for? their emergent purpose?

you'll get any number of predictable answers for the intended reason why we count and display numbers like that, but it always ends up having the same intended effect: the numbers are telling you what to interact with. whether you're the type of person who is more likely to share something because it has high numbers, or if you're a contrary dumbass like me who will deliberately seek out things with low numbers, the numbers are driving your behavior. they are telling you "hey, this is valuable, and notable!" and that is intentional for a simple reason: the people who make these sites do not believe you have the discernment to know what things are valuable, or notable, or worth sharing. hell, you might just share things that fucking suck if we didnt have this little number down here telling you what to share. the numbers create a hierarchy - big numbers at the top, small numbers at the bottom

the way this relates to Aura's post above is that annoying clout-chasing influencer types really actually have no discernment. they operate purely by watching how other people are reacting, and choose their own reaction accordingly. they dont produce anything themselves and have their existence entirely focused on channeling whatever other people says is popular. hence cohost's natural immunity to it - there's very few ways to know which posts are very popular on cohost, even if you made the post. you kinda just have to be here experiencing it and talking about it with people to know.

cohost was the first time i really just shared whatever i wanted for the sake of post's content itself - the text, the image, the music, the joke, the media, the message - and i think that really did something to shape the culture here, it created a new way for people to interact with posts, with each other, and with a social website. which is something that would be totally missed (and misinterpreted) by people who barely (or never) used cohost at all.

and i'm gonna miss it!


SacchiHikaru
@SacchiHikaru
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in reply to @MOOMANiBE's post:

in reply to @MOOMANiBE's post:

Yeah a big part of my issue finding a place for my gay-ass writing was, well. y'all saw the dude running tumblr. and the Twitter format (and therefore all of its clones) sucks ass for writing.

I really wish things worked out better.

this place really does seem to somehow existentially offend some of the worst people online. Like not just nazis or whatever, who never seemed to even show interest? But like specific brands of Extremely Online Cop Brain types, whether their area of self-appointed enforcement was "open source" or "the existence of queer people who don't think like me."

Or even just "i should be able to sit in place while the website spoon-feeds me a [wholly imaginary] sense of knowing everything important that's happening".

Twitter really broke a bunch of people's brains by allowing them to pretend that it represented a singular consensus reality for news and the internet as a whole. Many journalists still live with that mindset about it.

I actually have/had a big post written up about something tangential to this topic, about how I feel like I missed out on participating in a community I would otherwise have fit into just because I was conditioned by other social media to see myself as white noise at best and painting a target on myself at worst. Drama happened here, sure, but no clout-chasing, no stabbing people in the ribs with real or perceived grievances in public for views, no porn bots or reply guys or Musk stans or other flavors of awful people that keep me from participating in every other website on the internet. It was great, and I was happy to see so many people that don't suck in one place, all pursuing hobbies and talking about neat things and not having a looming specter of engagement or The Algorithm.

There'll never be another Cohost, but if something gets close, I won't make the same mistake. Good communities like this are too rare to let slip by.

It's amazing how efficiently the profit-oriented social media mega-corpos make one of the most fundamental of human experiences a wellspring of conflict and misery for the sake of arbitrary revenue. We deserve better.

in reply to @chirasul's post:

You know, you’ll hear professionals talk sometimes about going to an industry conference and all the “great conversations” they had, and one of the things you get at these conferences is: you have almost no idea who’s a “big deal”. Is that person at the breakfast table an executive or Just Some Guy? You can ask, sure, and it might come out in conversation, and there are certain assumptions you might make based on age and how well-dressed someone is, but it’s all guesswork. Mostly you just don’t know and I think that’s a huge part of why these “great conversations” happen. There’s an equality of “important-ness”.

I recently installed extensions to block numbers on twitter and bluesky and. It’s so weird. I love no numbers on cohost but over there I’m still hyper aware of the fact that everyone else sees the numbers and is thinking about them!

Admittedly my use case and neuroses are pretty specific. But. I exclusively use twitter on a locked account and I knowwwwww people will notice if their post has 6 retweets and one is on a locked account, god forbid it be a quote, and it will make them anxious, so I won’t retweet something unless I feel like I can get lost in the crowd. My therapist would probably say I’m thinking too much about managing other people’s emotions, but here we are.

I will continue to sample extensions like this and see if I can get used to it… would love it if this was surmountable.

I was slowly gaining the courage to just say things here. I was beginning to post more often. That was, and still is, a difficult hurdle for me to overcome; I already don't tend to say much unless I "Have Something To Say", and my years on Twitter had conditioned me to shut up unless I have something nuanced and constructive to say. Asking questions led to ridicule and automated responses about tangentially related things. This feeling still hits me like a truck in Discord and here on Cohost.

But I was getting through it. I had started commenting on people's posts here for once. I was making discussion posts where I just wanted to get something out of my head. My art had an uptick for the first time in a long time, and I was excited to be able to eventually share some music that I've been slowly working on.

Cohost has been the biggest help in making me not feel like I shouldn't speak unless spoken to in public spaces. And the fact that I did not have to worry about clout or numbers, even subconsciously, was a huge factor in that. I'm going to miss Cohost so much, and I'm sad that it took me so long to actually start using it like this.

I wish there were more places like it.