saturns

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the real actual Kato. Plausibly deniably DJ.

 
This user is melanated.
Store in a cool, dry place. Refrigerate after opening

I love gifs of fish.

 
I am super cool and everyone loves me.

current avi: ME!!!!!

Pinball Game Smart And Funny


e-mail
evergreen@silvercruiser.vip
The Other Other Blue Website (not recommended)
saturnunder.tumblr.com/
Unfortunately, I'm music fans
rateyourmusic.com/~saturnunder

ticky
@ticky

I think carrd might be one of the worst things that's happened to the net

"here's my commission carrd: it has a TOS and examples and... no contact information or links"


ticky
@ticky

IMO we should be democratising the fundamentals of building a website, not creating more platforms that paper over it


eramdam
@eramdam

Isn't it great how most people evolve on the internet using computing platforms that are so limited that "write index.html in notepad++ and upload it to a web host with FileZilla or some shit" is a massive order, making "surrender your data and control to a for-profit entity that has A Shiny App For Your Device" the easiest and more streamlined option.


xkeeper
@xkeeper

i feel like we're all1 partially responsible for this.

we used to have WYSIWYG page builder tools. geocities had Yahoo!™ SiteBuilder. windows had Microsoft FrontPage. Adobe had DreamWeaver. We had the tools to make websites easier in a way where normal ordinary people could just drag and drop shit how they wanted it.

and we all collectively said, wow, these tools suck ass! haha, look at how terrible they are! they spit out spaghetti html and they're awful to use! writing everything in notepad was the ideal, we even had little 88×31 buttons to show how elite we were!

...

anyway, it's 20 years later and now everything is instead spaghetti javascript and all of the simple "make your own html pages and upload them" tools are dead. basic website hosting is hard to find and getting shittier. "free" setups like neocities2 restrict you from using normal, standard tools like ftp clients, requiring you to instead use a proprietary browser interface. and other "free" website builders out there are just a template and some images you can swap out, hosted on their own systems.

on top of that, you can't just make a website. it has to be a website that works on desktop and mobile, two wildly different environments with wildly different accessibility and usability needs, where without a magic incantation about device viewport scaling or whatever your page will immediately look like shit and be unreadable without zooming in 500%.

the bar of entry to web design and development has been raised far too highly and we're all worse for it.


1: this is a generalization. this does not include every single person on earth.

2: i want to love neocities, but my first experience was "i want to make a cool retro website using my windows 98 laptop", and finding out that unless you pay money you couldn't use a normal ftp client was like. i'd rather just pay that much for shared hosting and not even have to bother with any of their shit.


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in reply to @ticky's post:

frequently a person wants a web page. rarely do they want to care about what "having a web page" means.

in the absence of things like caarrd, people generally don't go host a website. instead they link to their twitter or their instragram or whatever. if you're lucky they link to their tumblr or cohost or furaffinity instead but that's more rare.

i have a friend who is gaining interest in writing their own web page after being on these for awhile. that friend is learning how to do it.

in reply to @ticky's post:

in reply to @eramdam's post:

You say that but there's a whole generation who never whipped up some static pages in html. Heck, I used to do those things and I don't want to go back into webmastering again, I'm a lazy-ass idiot hence why I'm here and not rolling my own journal thing.

in reply to @xkeeper's post:

Having flash backs to when I had to write a webpage for a class, in html and use and FTP to upload shit, grateful I don't have to do that anymore

Hated writing code. Don't know why I went into comp sci (didn't know I hated writing code until after years of writing code for classes)

As someone who's been using Neocities for a while and always found it a pain to update things and back up my website, I just found out today that you can use their CLI to link your website to a GitHub repo.

Edit: This post inspired me to actually look into doing that, and I made a post about it.