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lisbeth f.-c. mulholland

in spite of it all, life is beautiful.

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atax1a
@atax1a

i think where The Web started to go wrong was when your ISP stopped offering 5 megabytes of free space on their servers, where you uploaded files to public_html on their FTP server, and they would show up on http://members.example.org/~atax1a. rather than closing that off, things should have gone towards allowing you to upload small CGIs under cgi-bin and have them show up under /~atax1a/cgi-bin


ann-arcana
@ann-arcana

So much of the blame for the de-liberation of the web has been placed at the feet of social media and the startup economy, and certainly much of that has been deserved.

But not enough fingers have been pointed at the sheer greed of ISPs, which have consistently cut off every single method for practical self-hosting, so they could extract extra rent on your connection.

Which is to say, ditto, but also the point where you stopped being able to plug your old tower into the wall and fire up Apache.

We've lost so much and we didn't even notice.


NireBryce
@NireBryce

this is part of why I've been thinking about wireless mesh networks and peer to peer stuff lately. you can't route all of the traffic on the 'net over it, not with today's hardware, but you could route personal stuff.

both subfields of it seem 5y away at fastest, but maybe there just aren't enough people thinking about ways to reuse past things we now have the hardware for


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in reply to @atax1a's post:

in early 200x we got hired at our hometown ISP as tech support and started messing around with linux, ended up converting their mailserver from windows to postfix, set up spam filtering, etc. A couple of our users needed linux for websites too, so we set up a webserver too. Of course, we were also a teenager in high school at the time, with unmedicated ADHD and no comprehension of gender/dysphoria, so it was (like us, per Conway's Law) kind of a mess.

in reply to @NireBryce's post:

tbh there used to be mature 1980s-era technology for peer-to-peer forums over intermittently-available low-bandwidth links: usenet + uucp

but we've learned that nobody wants to talk about anything today if it isn't tunneled through JSON over HTTP/2, so :shrug:

no, but if you want things to succeed, especially mesh network stuff, you're going to need more people than can administer those things, or bring them to a state where they can. Which is one of the hard problems causing people to look for other solutions.

if this were twitter we'd vaguely gesture at our past rants about the lack of config-management tooling at the small scale, how nothing is built for servers that are to be maintained over the long term as pets, but that context isn't loaded over here :(