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i am so very much looking forward to deciphering this ball of chaos

i also have suspicions though, that what we see in the literature is often from a perspective that inherently de-familiarizes cultures and languages, particularly ancient ones

it often happens through biases, unintentionally (although not always), and happens because they expect it to be weird and alien, and so they describe it that way - or building upon a series of minor misconceptions they conflate different topics as an effort to rationalize them according to false axioms

these things happen a lot less for living and well studied languages because living speakers can call bullshit and with enough eyes eventually a language will come to be seen for what it is, although languages with mysticism (academic or religious) heavily tied to them find this process to be very slow due to that influence

unfortunately, Egyptian hits every roadblock available, plus a few extra for good measure

as my own attempt to reassess and re-familiarize some of the information out there regarding Egyptian pronouns i might start to put it together this way:

  • it seems really intuitive and ingenious to me to use a symbol to indicate information about the previous utterance 😉
  • determinatives are used in around 90% of written Chinese, and they are also common in Cuneiform writing which definitely had contact with Egyptian (whether or not it was preceded by it), and there is some current work on determinatives in Mayan writing, so i would expect to see this phenomenon in Egyptian as well
  • many languages are pro-drop wherein pronouns in specific contexts are implied without being spoken - including Spanish, Ukrainian, and Japanese
  • i am willing to bet that if we get a time machine we would see that when Egyptian 1st language speakers see a determiner they almost never read it out loud - because Egyptian exhibits the characteristics of a partial pro-drop language - again not surprising as the languages related to Egyptian are pro-drop as well including: Arabic (Semitic), Hebrew (Semitic), Oromo (Cushitic), etc

beyond this, the biggest issue with "Egyptian" is that what we colloquially called "Egyptian" spans nearly 3,000 years across multiple dialects and innumerable individuals who are often writing extremely poetically for the purposes of ceremony

3,000 years ago the linguistic ancestors of today's English speakers were speaking fucking pre-proto-germanic a language so far removed from our own that all modern germanic languages - from Icelandic to Lowland Scots - were the same tongue

we have only vague ideas of what PPG sounded like and their linguistic descendants would not get to write down their words for at least another millennia

that is how broad a scope "Egyptian" covers


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