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The Transsexual Chofetz Chaim

Mutant, librarian, poet, union rabble rouser, dog, Ashkenazi Jewish. Neuroweird, bodyweird, mostly sleepy.


I write about transformative justice, community, love, Judaism, Neurodivergence, mental health, Disability, geography, rivers, labor, and libraries; through poetry, opinionated essays, and short fiction.


I review Schoolhouse Rock! songs at @PropagandaRock


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mogwai-poet
@mogwai-poet

About ten years ago I saw an anonymous Wikipedia user who had edited dozens of articles about Mario, Sonic and Putt-Putt, rotating their names so that the articles about Mario were now about Sonic, the articles about Sonic were now about Putt-Putt, etc. I'm sure those changes were noticed and reverted almost immediately.

Looking deeper into this user's edit history, I found a series of edits to articles about films, changing their running times by adding or subtracting a few minutes. I have no idea whether these changes were ever noticed, but Wikipedia absolutely depends on the kind of person who'll obsessively go through their VHS collection and check each movie's Wikipedia sidebar against the info on the back of the box.

It's impossible to fact-check everything we read, and it's impossible to be aware of every kind of scam, so we rely on heuristics to guess whether to trust any given source. One of the heuristics I've found most useful is to consider what the author has to gain by lying, but sometimes I think about the guy randomly adjusting movie running times and I just have to lie down.


blazehedgehog
@blazehedgehog

I have my own version of this, in a sense.

November, 2003. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga has just come out. I mean it's days old. Maybe even hours old. My friends and I are all congregated on IRC and talking about the game, and one of them laments that its too new for anyone to have properly done a soundtrack rip, because they want an MP3 of the battle theme.

I'm savvy enough that I know how to record the song from an emulator, but just calling it "Battle Theme" sounds so... dry. There's no official title, either. So, when I tagged the song, I just made one up:

  • Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - "Let's Go!" (Battle Theme)

I didn't think anything of it.

Well, this friend had connections to a lot of game music community type people. The folks who study game music, care about game music, and remix game music for places like OC Remix. And he must have spread my MP3 around, because I have constantly run across people claiming that the Superstar Saga battle theme is called "Let's Go!"

To be clear, there has never been an official soundtrack release for Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. At best, we've had a "Sound Selection" CD, which collects a handful of songs from all three games, but none of them are the battle theme from Superstar Saga.

So, for example, if you check VGmusic.com, all of the submitted MIDIs for the battle theme are titled "Let's Go!" If you search it on Youtube, you have people to this day treating it as the defacto official title for the song. As of this writing, this upload is only seven months old:

And it was me. I'm the one you can blame for this. The song has no official title and the one I gave it stuck, and it stuck hard.

(A different version of this post I made on tumblr years ago had me saying my made-up-title was "Here We Go!", but given all the MIDIs on VGmusic.com are titled "Let's Go!", I'm pretty sure that had to be the title I made up. Especially given one of the MIDIs is by the person I originally gave my MP3 to nearly 20 years ago, correlated with the fact the song has never been given an official title that I am aware of.)



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in reply to @mogwai-poet's post:

not to make everything about the current bullshit but if LLM generators are unleashed fully on the internet, it will be equivalent to an army of millions of guys doing things similar to maliciously changing random hard to notice and verify facts on wikipedia.

This phenomenon was present (but not dwelled upon) in Anathem by Neil Stephenson. Basically any fact put into the equivalent of the Internet is immediately repeated with permutations by SEO farms.

The solution that has emerged, rather than un-fucking anything, is an additional protocol layer on top the AI-generated bullshit which uses more AI to extract what is most likely the original ground truth. I am deeply disturbed how plausible that sounds.

there was a concerted effort spearheaded by SA forum FYAD posters circa 2008 to make these kinds of inconsequential stealth edits intermixed with lots of valid, useful edits to make the vandalism harder to notice. it was usually targeted at pages they considered to be amusingly over-detailed (often things like second-by-second recaps of every single sonic cartoon episode) that eventually got purged & extracted into external fan wikis anyway. but there are almost certainly still traces left from that "game" and its copycats

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