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@spiders asked:

is there any benefit (or cost) to my city's library system if i check out an ebook, make a drm-stripped copy, and then immediately return the drm'ed book so somepony else can enjoy it, vs if i just not even bother and download it straight off libgen?

does the library keep track of how many people check the book out for weeding/logistical purposes, or get charged per checkout, or does it expend One of some artificially scarce number of checkouts the library purchased as a license?

is it better for the author somehow to check it out via drm'ed ebook instead of via libgen, if i was only planning on borrowing it from the library anyways, rather than purchasing it?

It depends on the specific vendor and the contract with that vendor. If you're using Hoopla or any of those "you never have to wait but you can only check out X items a month" services,, then every time you check out an eBook the library is paying the vendor an amount of money. Like with Hoopla every time someone borrows a comic book it might charge the library $4. Which is why the library sets a maximum per user per month, to stay within budget. A lot of library systems are moving away from services like Hoopla because this isn't sustainable since we want users to use services we pay for but Hoopla only makes sense if people don't use it much. So if you're borrowing those kinds of books and then ripping the DRM, then you're costing the library money when you could have not costed the library money. I guess that's bad? But like, the way I see services like Hoopla is you shouldn't be stingy with it. Your tax money has allocated for you $30/month to spend on reading comics or whatever so go use it to read comics. It's a better use of tax money than the police and using the library helps make the case for increased library funding overall.

If you're using Overdrive, or any service where there's a limited number of "digital copies" that can be checked out at once so sometimes you have to get in line and wait until one is available to read it, then the library kinda-sorta "owns" that ebook copy and it does not cost the library anything for you to borrow it. The only downside to borrowing it is that someone else can't borrow it until you return it. The benefit to the library is that increased usage numbers for the library helps make the case for more library funding (or continued library funding.) The library always wants you to use it. It's a weird situation where spending our money is also how we get money.

As for non-monetary pros and cons, again it really depends on the vendor, the specific contract, and what you consider to be good or bad. A lot of libraries have as part of their contract with Overdrive something where the library automatically purchases an additional copy of a book for every X holds on it held simultaneously. Like if ten people are waiting on one digital copy, the library automatically buys another copy to shorten the line. If you've ever wondered why a library might arbitrarily limit you to having 6 holds on digital books even though you can have more than that for physical books, this is to make sure you "only place the holds that matter to you" to save the library money. So yeah, it costs the library money, but that money does go to the author (but mostly to Overdrive and MacMillan or whoever)

Weeding of digital collections is weird and more complicated than physical collections. I've never had to do it myself. Space is not as much of a premium so you really don't have to weed as much. Though some contracts will charge an annual amount to the library based on the size of the collection as a "hosting fee". In general when weeding the library is going to look at how many times an item has been borrowed and how recently it was last borrowed. If you borrow an item, you're extending its lifespan in the collection by a good chunk of time.

Borrows also inform the collection development decisions made on what kinds of books to purchase in the future. If you're borrowing a lot of sci-fi novels, that does make the selector more inclined to purchase more sci-fi novels then they are more popular. This is where borrowing library books rather than pirating becomes good for an author. If you're borrowing Becky Chambers books from the library, then the selectors are going to make sure to buy the new Becky Chambers book when it comes out. If nobody borrows her books, then the selectors won't purchase the newer books by this author.

So that's good for the author, but it does mean you're causing the library to spend money. I guess. But like, one single circulation of an item is not alone enough to influence that whole decision. Other people also need to be reading it. So it's more of a grain of sand forming a pile situation. Also, ebooks and physical books are often developed separately because the people who read ebooks are often not the same people as the ones who borrow physical books. So if a book circulates a lot as an ebook it doesn't mean we'll be buying more physical copies.

Does this help? IDK I don't really see there as being a difference to the library if you stripped the DRM or not. Just don't tell anyone that you're doing that. We don't want companies like Overdrive to implement more restrictive policies and surveillance technology to prevent it.


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This is extremely good posting and I don't really have much to add beyond an analogy about DRM and such based on the last quote

If you come into our library and get on a public computer with a thumb drive, or a stack of blank CDs, and start picking up CDs and DVDs off the shelf and start tearing through them, we all know what's going on.

We also don't care, until and unless you make it our problem. Go ahead and pirate the entire discography of Iron Maiden, fuck it. Do not ask us to show you how, or make such a scene about it that somebody narcs on you, because then we have to do something about it - even if that something is just politely but firmly telling you "can't help you with that, sorry, that's against policy." This is an example of the paper policies libraries tend to make because we'd get in deep shit if we were blatantly permissive, but actual enforcement tends to be rare because not only are we not cops, and not only are most pirating incidents actually pretty subtle, we're usually too busy dealing with other shit to justify bugging someone whose only crime is silently and unobtrusively trying to rip the entire discography of Midsummer Murders (and doing so is a great way to make a hostile environment to the public, which is the antithesis of what we want anyway).

So yeah, if you're pirating ANYTHING from the library, digital or analog, be good at it and observe Shut The Fuck Up Friday. Do that and so long as your particular local services aren't run by assholes things should be okay.

e: like, sincerely, when it comes to legal issues of people using library materials for stuff pirating material is MUCH LESS OF A CONCERN than people trying to have you help/teach them how to edit and forge signatures or text lines on scans of legal documents. One of the things in my orientation, was how to handle that situation gracefully without either breaking the law or potentially angering someone who could Cause Problems, because that is something that has happened often enough to get put in onboarding.

See at my library the public PCs are so locked down you can't even open the downloads folder in Windows Explorer in order to upload a document. We have to get a thumb drive, save the file to the thumb drive, and upload from there. The only permitted programs are Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft Word. Literally anything else is forbidden. It's a huge headache but I suspect it's related to trying to prevent CD ripping. You also can't play the CDs on the public PCs.