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PermanentReset
@PermanentReset

There's this weird societal standoff happening where we're all aware we need more in-person human interaction, to rekindle human connection, and to build genuine friendships and healthy communities, but as soon as it leaves the realm of abstract thought we all collectively shrug our shoulders and go "I dunno, hope someone figures out how to do that."

And, man, this whole "I'll be in on the community as soon as it exists" mentality is just not how community works. I mean, it's blatantly not. I get it. We're all tired, we're in a low trust culture. People are messy and not always easy to get along with. Trust me, I get it. But at the same time we can't constantly be yearning for more and never acting in an attempt to make that change. Or I guess we can if we're actually content for there to never be any change.

Yeah, meeting up with your friends once a week is, sometimes, a bummer. Sometimes you want to just spend Friday evening doing nothing. You're exhausted, you've had a shit day, you don't have the energy to be personable. Do it anyway. Go be exhausted with company, and let your friend be exhausted in your company.

Make clubs, go on hikes, get into TTRPGs, go to the bar if you can afford it, have dinner parties, pick up board games, play Smash Bros on the couch.

I dunno man, I keep seeing posts and comments of unanimous consent that we're all very lonely. Tons of people in one digital space all shouting for friends. Why not make friends with each other? Start a discord, start talking, share weird memes, play some video games, have discord movie nights. It's not the same but it's a start. Who knows where that can lead?

Anyway, just some thoughts. As the guy who's weirdly always the glue of the friend group, it can be tiring at times but it's usually worth it. Maybe the discord will die, maybe nobody will join. Close the server and try again. Maybe friend night will be pushed to every two weeks. Maybe once a month. Keep it going. Expand it. Be welcoming. Give it a try.


fred
@fred

It IS possible to find community with people who also care about not getting or giving COVID to people, and it's very enriching to find them locally to you.

But it's a much smaller percentage of people which makes it very difficult and your options for community enriching experiences is severely limited because no one outside of your community is interested in COVID safety.

So. Respect to this post but all the reshares are really depressing me BC there are good comments and other good reshares about how COVID impacts this and people are not engaging with those comments/posts and it's popping my delusion bubble that all the queer ppl in my phone care about keeping each other safe 🫠 let me keep pretending y'all


NoelBWrites
@NoelBWrites

Last year we got a bunch of artists in our neighborhood to get together and start a co-op art studio. It's a nonprofit with the goal of having a space to do art and we can all share the rent and costs associated with it, on a sliding scale. We wanted this to be inclusive and welcoming to everyone in the community.

One of the things we did was draw up a COVID safety plan. Masks, air filters, a protocol for contact-tracing if necessary, we're getting an air quality monitor as well. We built these things in from the start because we knew if we didn't prioritize them, it would get away from us and it would be harder to implement them (or budget for them) later on.

It turned into this third space in which people will drop in to hang out even if they don't have the time or wherewithal to do an art. I wouldn't call everyone who's a member a friend, I'm not that close to everyone. But they're part of my community. And who knows, if we keep spending time together, they may become friends as well.

It is possible. It's hard. Some people will self-select out of participating because the don't want to wear a mask or hang out with a bunch of queer commies and a singular cishet commie. That's good, you don't want to hang out with those people either.

We had some advantages not everyone does: we live in a big city in a walkable neighborhood. We found people that way. We found a dirt-cheap space that was falling apart and most of us were able-bodied enough to fix it up. We had enough people interested in joining that we could implement a sliding scale so more of us could afford to join. We had people that were okay paying more because they could afford it, so other people could pay less. So I'm not saying this is the blueprint for everyone and it's super easy and just do it.

I'm saying it's possible. It takes time (it took us most of a year to be up and running). It takes effort. Sometimes it takes money. But it will look different for your community. Maybe you don't want a COVID safer* art studio. (As it was pointed out in the comments, no in-person interaction is 100% safe from COVID. We can mitigate risk, but not eliminate it.)

Make a COVID safer book club and meet up at a public park. Make it even safer and meet over discord or zoom. Or make it a knitting club. Or volunteer to do something outdoors that's local to you (I help with natural area restoration, you can find something like that or a chapter of Food Not Bombs or something else entirely... My local FNB is COVID conscious and so is a local free store...in general I had better luck with anarchist-aligned organizations when it comes to COVID. Not all of them, but a larger percentage than most other "nonprofits." My local free store also needs volunteers for online stuff: logistics, planning, training, onboarding... And they have a slack group chat with channels to socialize, not just to organize labor. I think an online "movie club" emerged organically from socializing there and now there's a dedicated channel for it.

It's easier when you have a goal to get together with people that's not just "hanging out." It's also easier when you make sure as many other people as possible could keep the Thing running if you dropped off the face of the earth tomorrow. It's easier if you find who's already doing the thing. It's easier if you build COVID safety in from the start and not make a big deal of it. Most people (your local area may vary) will not object to wearing a mask if people are already wearing one and you offer them one right then and there.


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in reply to @PermanentReset's post:

my struggle is i recognize that in person social interaction is really important to have, but i'm still taking as many covid precautions as i have been for years still, and figuring out what's even safe or comfortable for me is a huge part of what makes it hard for me

A little surprised to see how the response to this post mostly centered around Covid when I don't think that was the intended message. Have been waffling off and on about contributing my 2 cents, but I think my circumstance is different enough from most of the feedback, so here I am!

Tons of people in one digital space all shouting for friends. Why not make friends with each other? Start a discord, start talking, share weird memes, play some video games, have discord movie nights. It's not the same but it's a start. Who knows where that can lead?

This is the part that speaks to me the most and is also the hardest for me to manage. Not to get too into specifics, but I semi-recently had a falling out with some people very close to me that culminated in me, essentially, losing all the social groups I'd been building up for 15 years. I lost my closest online (and in-person) friends, and I've found myself pretty much alone in online spaces for the first time since 2009. Which is... difficult. The internet isn't the same. The people in it are not the same. I'm not the same.

I still have some friends, but hopping into their already fully-established friend groups feels awkward and alienating, like I'm a circle trying to find a space in a pattern of triangles. I don't know how to throw myself into a group of strangers anymore, because I have aged out of the usual Groups of Strangers and don't really want to hang out with a bunch of 16-20 year olds.

The thought of building everything back up from 0 is scary. Even without recent personal experiences and anxieties holding me back, I've never been the kind of person who can just hop up to people unprompted and go "hey let's be friends! here's my discord info!"

I don't know how to start over in my 30s. :(

It has been an interesting exercise in the difference between what I thought I said vs what people understood me to have said, or at least how whatever I said is applied to their daily lives for sure. Still, I think the COVID and in-person communal concerns are valid, and that branching path of the conversation is good.

That said, your comment is definitely more in line with what my thoughts while writing the post were. Specifically that there's a bunch of us gathering in our pseudo-anonymous online communities, shouting into the void about needing friends with people who have already proven to have at least something in common with us (whether that be an interest in a particular subject or just simply knowing that cohost exists), and the response to that is, usually, some form of looking right past the potential that's right in front of you.

I'm not saying the answer is to try to make friends with everyone who interacts with your posts by any means, but if you see the same people pop up fairly regularly, you like their stuff, they seem to like and comment on your stuff, there may be a "there" there that can be pursued into an eventual friendship. Do that enough and, over time, you have your own little community. Maybe it starts online, but maybe it doesn't have to always stay that way. Who knows what the future holds?

I think this especially applies to those of us in our 30s though. This is the age where friend groups you had when you were younger really start to fall apart. Life gets busy, or you grow into different people with incompatible personalities or views of the world, or simply someone has a kid and now they just don't have the time to hang out anymore. I think this adult loneliness, bad enough on its own but conflated by modern work culture, is its own sort of silent epidemic. But it's one where there are, at least, some steps that can be taken to mitigate the problem.

The issue is, we know how busy we all are. We don't want to butt into other people's busy lives. And it's hard to distinguish between someone who is simply busy and doesn't have the time or mental energy to provide a proper response to something you've said and someone who just isn't that interested in hanging out but is being polite anyway - especially over the internet. There are definitely a lot of hurdles, and I'm sympathetic to that. But at the same time the hurdles can never be jumped if we don't try.

None of this is directed at you, specifically, of course. You just so happened to pick at the bit of my brain that had more thoughts to spill out. As a guy in his 30s who is seeing his own friend group slowly drift apart, though, I am sympathetic.

Glue can't hold anything together if it isn't present.

in reply to @fred's post:

in reply to @NoelBWrites's post:

It never occurred to me until reading this that you can just like... start a co-op. In my head (which, funnily enough, is similar to the first post) I was just like "oh, that's something other people do". Are you able to talk about what the process of setting up the Co-op was, or if there are any resources online to look into what the process would be like?

In broad strokes, what we did:

  • Find people that wanted to be part of it
  • Decide how it was going to work (sliding scale, budgeting, decision-making, etc)
  • Look up legal stuff and find out that Chicago (and most of the US) is shitty when it comes to actually legally defining and setting up a co-op nonprofit
  • Set up a normal nonprofit, making sure everyone is on the board and with clear defined terms for who's president, secretary and treasurer (three positions legally required for a nonprofit to exist), also what other jobs are needed, etc, how elections work, how often we're meeting, etc
  • Write all of this down
  • Set up a process to invite more people if we want (we do, fairly often) and to kick people out if needed (we haven't needed to, fortunately)

Unfortunately legally speaking this is all going to be very local (and sometimes very obtuse) so I would start by trying to find local resources, lawyers websites that are still doing content marketing and may have a blog explaining it, nonprofit clinics or mentorship things, other coops that you can ask for guidance, etc

That is true, but the posts I was replying to were specifically about in-person interaction. Maybe I should edit it to say "safer" instead of "safe," which may imply absolute safety when that's not the case