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like youtube recommended this video to me, and for some reason i watched it, all the way through. this is a small channel, and i don't want to pick on a little guy, so don't be mean to them.

but so many of the talking points for sending people to the moon (or mars, or anywhere else) to live permanently, just don't make any degree of sense.


i think people SEVERELY underestimate the sheer logistical difficulties of living on the moon permanently, self-sustainably. we don't even have people living in self-sustainable, permanent settlements on antarctica, which is a hell of a lot more habitable then the moon. they can't grow their own food, people need to go home after the winter is over, and any health problem can quickly become deadly, any social problems can quickly become horrible.

which makes other talking points about how it would help humans become an interplanetary species, or would "take strain off of earth", completely ridiculous. not only will it be functionally impossible for these colonies to become truly self sufficient, the ecological impact of sustaining a colony on the moon will be absolutely enormous. the carbon footprint of a moon colony citizen would probably blow that of many of the wealthiest people out of the water (not that carbon footprint reduction is really a viable strategy for climate change in and of itself)

but also like, even trying to live on the moon for just a few months, let alone years or for a lifetime, would be actively traumatic. it seems to me that no matter how comfy you make the dwellings, no matter how many psychologists you have on staff, there is no way that a huge proportion of people aren't coming home with ptsd. humans are just not meant to function in an environment that stressful and isolated from Home, from their ecological home.

it feels like Science (the futurist, technology-will-save-us ideology) has become something of a neoliberal religion. space, alongside Technology, has long been a bit of a "you'll get pie in the sky when you die" kind of promise. "it's okay that we are destroying this world, there's more worlds out there, and you could even be on the ships to go there!"

and the people who will die or get severely traumatized by actual attempts at making colonies, those people are its human sacrifices.

even the closing remark of the video just sounds so neoliberal. "we should always remind ourselves that the difficult tasks are the ones that hold the most of value." value for who? will humanity really benefit from being sent to work in lunar mines? from burning enormous piles of resources to set up space colonies that are largely scientifically worthless, not achieving anything that a unmanned probe couldn't already achieve (with a fraction of the resources and psychological strain)


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Reminded of the very good movie Moon (2009), where spoilers the one guy on the moon is replaced with a fresh clone every year, because there's no way he's coming back home again and that's about as long as a human mind can last up there.

Practicalities of space colonies aside (and I agree we're a really long way from being able to do it), I could be happy pretty much indefinitely alone on some Moon colony if I had a good ebook library and some kitties.
Like, watching kitties in low gravity would never get old.

There are so many things I hate about the space colonization argument. "B-b-but mass extinction!" There is no plausible extinction event on civilizational timescales that would render Earth less habitable than Mars. Asteroid impact? GRB? We've still got an atmosphere and a magnetic field.

"B-b-but resource extraction!" Even if we grant the extractivist mission is a good one, it doesn't justify permanent habitation. First off: there's a wealth of mineral and energy resources along deep sea vents, but you don't see anybody suggesting we should live there. And it'd be way easier than living in space. Second, and more important: why not automate it? From redirecting asteroids to park in Earth orbit, to just sending robots to mine.

I also love how everyone just thinks the radiation problem is solvable. As someone who actually works on space robots, rad-hardening at the scale of individual microchips is a massive challenge. Creating rad-hardened spaces that will support humans for extended periods is a ridiculous challenge. The best solution is a geo-dynamo-generated magnetic field and a few miles of atmosphere, your other option is cancer.

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