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Yeah if there's one thing I miss about forums versus modern social media, it's that everyone had the same information. If there's a debate going on about whether playing Nintendo games means you'll go to hell, that debate is happening in one place with everyone and everyone can see it. You basically eliminate the nonstop Take Machines you have on social media where everyone. is speaking to their audience instead of to each other.
Thinking about it there's also the fact that a forum thread convo can go on for YEARS. I followed the AtariAge forum thread for the Polymega for literal years. You can come back when something happens and bump the thread and new people can catch up on the conversation. It's so much easier to have a conversation when its separated out by topic. And like... I'm singling cohost out here the most, you can't really have a detailed conversation here. About 5 or 6 layers into comments they go off the page to where you can't read them anymore. You definitely couldn't have a conversation for days much less weeks or months or years on here. On something like Twitter it's still extremely hard to read and messy, but here its hard to read in the sense of "literally can't read the text anymore". This kind of format is better for sharing blog posts. It's not built for conversation. Forums are built for conversation first and foremost.
yeah it's not an evil or a failing of cohost! it's a tradeoff. every distinct concept for a kind of social media interface has its own dynamics, upsides, and downsides
you're making the mistake of assuming that people read the previous posts in a forum thread. in a forum, everyone can see every reply and followup if they want to, but they're not required to
yeah, some do here and there. but the people who are ready to fly off the handle at the slightest hint of irritation? they aren't gonna read through all the pages after the original bad post to see if there was an apology later
in fact, forums have kind of the opposite problem, in that there isn't usually any real way to boost a particular post at all, short of quoting it on every single page. as soon as a post is off the last page, it's effectively buried from the average user
imo, there is no website format that will solve the "someone runs in, gets mad about something that has already been discussed and resolved, and reignites the fire" problem, because the root of the problem is that at some level, a lot of people just want to get mad at stuff. when they're getting that adrenaline rush of righteous fury, they're not gonna scroll through a few dozen posts to see if there's any context or later events that might cool their rage
timelines certainly have problems, but forums have their own issues as well. and neither one is going to solve this particular issue, which is fundamentally a social problem rather than a technological one
personally, i like how difficult it is to find the context for what people are subtweeting or subchosting about. having to go through some annoyance to figure out what everyone is talking about helps to remind me that it's none of my business and I don't need to care. whatever it is, it doesn't need my input, and I don't need to seek out something that's obviously just going to get me mad
Yeah, I think I agree. It's a matter of tradeoffs, and timelines limiting the scope of what you see unless you choose to investigate has its benefits.
I completely agree with this. on cohost I occasionally see fragments of arguments, realize I have no way of finding context or engaging with it meaningfully... and then realize I'm happy about that 😆