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in reply to @Codarobo's post:

the sheer gulf of difference in how nonbinary folks are treated, whether that's being percieved as "detransitioners", "trans-lite," etc, it'ss just,

so fun. even without those claims you just don't fit in trans spaces the same because you're different enough that it's a struggle to bridge the gap and you have to do all the work in doing so while everyone posts "universal trans experience" stuff and it feels like you're just. in the wrong place.

the linear narrative of transition harms us all

basiiccally ough i sure as fuck relate

i keep trying to come up with a funny way to offer commisserations for levity and struggling. mostly because i'm sleepy but.

i mean for my end i'm finding something in adopting genderqueer as a supplementary label. i don't know if it helps perceptionn on my end but i think it fits

This is why it bothers me that there's been this ongoing separation between being "trans" and being "non-binary." Non-binary people are transgender. The term transgender was created to include those who aren't medically transitioning!

I definitely support nonbinary people who don’t feel like they are or belong to transness but i really feel like part of the reason why anyone even feels that way is the thing im describing, like surely some people come away feeling like “welp i guess id be appropriating it if i identified with this. This space isn’t for me”

This is exactly how I feel, especially after talking to so many other nb ppl about this. They are always like "well i don't have to struggle as much" or this general feeling that they haven't earned transness.

Just wanted to chime in with an alternative viewpoint as a nonbinary person who doesn’t identify with the term transgender.

I’m agender. I have never identified as trans, specifically because I identify as not having a gender at all, whereas the term transgender implies I still have a gender, just not the one I was assigned at birth. I don’t have the gender I was assigned at birth, that part fits—but I don’t have any other genders either, and the distinction of not being gendered at all, of existing outside gender, matters to me.

Maybe that’s just my inner grammar pedant manifesting itself, though. I have no idea if and how many other agender people feel the way I do about the term transgender, and I’m also on Gender Journey 2: Electric Boogaloo right now, so this all may be subject to change with respect to how I identify.

However! Despite not using the term transgender for myself, I also absolutely recognize that, to the transphobes that run this shithole I live in, I’m just a [insert transphobic slur of choice] like all the rest. People who aren’t queer or allies often don’t understand the distinction, or don’t care about the distinction, or don’t know that there’s a distinction at all. If I refer to myself as trans, it’s because that’s how the world sees me, not because it’s how I see myself.

I knew eventually someone would reply to counter and like most things involving queer identity, there will always be people who exceptions. My opinion is informed by speaking to a lot of non-binary people. Some agender ppl refuse to go by non-binary because of the implication of a gender! But at the end of the day, null is outside of the binary 1 & 0. Agender is identifying as something outside of what you were assigned at birth, which is transgender. I'm pansexual technically, but I prefer go to by gay because it's just easier for me and closer to my experience. A lot of people hate using the word queer. There will always be exceptions but I think the phenomena should still be named.