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Academics across the country are talking about the reading problems they are seeing among traditional-age students. Many, they say, don’t see the point in doing much work outside of class. Some struggle with reading endurance and weak vocabulary. A lack of faith in their own academic abilities leads some students to freeze and avoid doing the work altogether.

And a significant number of those who do the work seem unable to analyze complex or lengthy texts. Their limited experience with reading also means they don’t have the context to understand certain arguments or points of view.


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please understand that i mean no offense to lucas when i say this, but i think the way the post sets up the article is kind of disingenuous. the quotes are real and this is stuff the article touches on, but it set me up in thinking that this was going to be yet another thinkpiece on the decline of phonics education from the chronicle of higher education, of all places. what i instead came away with was an incredibly understanding and considerate piece that acknowledges that, yes, this is a problem, but also that the problem is complex, that the causes are multifaceted, and the solutions are varied.

a failure of reading education is too big to have a single cause, because a failure in reading education is also a failure in all education. when we look at reading education, we are not looking at the entire story; we are looking at a case study. the story of “why can’t students do the reading anymore?” is also the story of the entire american education system, and the article acknowledges that. Is This the End of Reading? is, at the present moment, the definitive work on the topic, and it handles the topic so masterfully that it makes every other article on the decline of reading ability seem almost uninformed in comparison.

here’s the quotes that i would’ve included if i was the one who first shared it to cohost:

Blum recently discussed the argument of Kotsko’s Slate article with her students, who objected to the idea that their generation has lost the ability to read critically. “We have narrowed the definition of reading to a certain kind of material,” she says — namely, textbooks and academic articles — “and then we have drawn the conclusion that they can’t read or they won’t read.”

As for why they may not show up for class or do the work, Rubin thinks it’s part social anxiety and part cynicism. “I think they see school very transactionally,” he says. “Schools also see students more transactionally than they did in the past. It’s not the deep relationship educators want it to be.”

i have so much more to say about this piece, but i’ll hold off on it because what i currently need is more of people’s reactions to this article. especially from people who are in education, either students or faculty. please comment them down below, or if you don’t feel comfortable sharing them then you can send me a private message on discord or through cohost’s asks feature (just state that you would like this ask to remain private and i will not publicly respond to it).


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in reply to @ewie's post:

Very good article. This is something I've been thinking about for a while. Literacy, the potential damage of standardized tests, and the nakedly transactional relationship between schools and students (which students no longer have patience for.)

As someone who recently exited higher education (specifically, my pandemic-interrupted PharmD), I concur: this was a good article. I felt like I could relate to a lot of if not all of the spread of viewpoints from students and educators in there. The problem of transactional reading and institutionalized failures to empower educators to genuinely engage with students really does stymie otherwise genuine passion about the subjects that my professors would have.

Whether or not the educational systems in play is able to overcome that inertia before more consequences rear its ugly head remains to be seen, but this article has me reckoning a growing realization I've had lately: the internet has accelerated the speed of information and media distribution to an unprecedented extent, and the consequences of it all are only just beginning to manifest.

👍 I am glad you read it and think it worthwhile. I agree with you and the article: the poor reading observed and bemoaned comes from more than just not doing phonics! (That’s kinda why I used the quote that I did: it speaks about the problem without being about one, of the many, likely factors in causing the problem. 🤷‍♂️)

hey! thanks for not being too upset about me calling your quotes disingenuous. 💗 i appreciate the reasoning you had for picking the quotes you did. i don’t actually know if there were quotes you could’ve picked to help this article take off, i think it would’ve always needed a second push.

wow, there's a lot of peescient stuff here! i'll try to to pull out a couple of the things that i most resonated with. i'll start off by saying that i entered college in 2019 and graduated in 2023, so i got to do one full semester and change before the pandemic hit. i graduated high school with a 1440 on my SAT and three 5s and two 4s on my AP tests, but i had never written a paper longer than two pages double spaced or read a full-length academic paper.

  1. Letter Grading Sucks
    letter grading sucks!!! i was specifically reminded of how much i hate letter grading by the short segment where the author talks about "equitable grading practices" like raising the lower bound of grades to a 50 instead of a 0. from an equitability standpoint, i do think that makes sense. from the perspective of a single assignment, once you get below "failing," it doesnt matter how low you go; however, from the perspective of your overall grade, a 0 is orders of magnitude worse than a 50. not to mention that grades below 50 are even more arbitrary than normal and are wide open to capriciousness and abuse by hostile teachers. on the other hand, i also think that limiting the scale to 50 exposed how bad the scale is! we seriously have a scale where we cant use half of it? what is even the point then! nobody has yet been able to explain to me a good use case for tiered letter grades. the only point i can see is the ability to allocate more funding for students who are doing well and shunting underperforming students to "remedial" tracks. i also don't know that i have a practical solution. the only way i can think of to improve grading is by reducing the grade to pass/fail/incomplete and focusing more on actual feedback, since that is what drives improvement, but i have zero pedagogical training so i don't know how well or poorly that would work.

  2. Better Teacher:Student Ratio
    man, some of these class sizes are ridiculous. we need more teachers and professors to deal with all the students. this follows from the conclusion of my previous point (teachers cannot give more in-depth feedback if they have to grade 100 papers a day) and from the parts of the article where the author talks about students needing someone to actually care for them to succeed. it is impossible for trachers to genuinely and deepl care for each student when they see, say, 80 different students a day, maybe alternating every other day, each of whom they will probably not see much of again after the semester is over. we really need to reduce class sizes so students can get more individual attention, more consistent attention, and more in-depth feedback on their work.

  3. The Destruction of Reading For Pleasure
    okay you can tell where i got this one from lol. the school system, at least as i know it, is remarkably proficient in destroying the capacity of students to read for pleasure, myself included. i was a voracious little bookworm as a kid, but even by the time i started high school i was barely reading on my own anymore. im a year out from graduating college and i have not finished a single book in that time! if it were just me i would chalk it up to that classic "gifted kid" burnout, but i observed a similar pattern in almost all of my peers. it sucks, and i dont know how to fix it!

  4. "If they can see the point, they are eager to put that to use."
    this quote was super important to me. i know the "but when will we actually use this?" kid is a meme, but they exist for a reason. most teachers, i have found, are pretty bad at getting you to care about the material. they are, for the most part, just trying to get you through the class. this is a little bit better in college, in my experience, but there you often find a presumption of interest from the students by the professor. lemme tell ya, i did not care in the slightest about my "art of the ancient near east" class, i just needed the art history credit. the thing this, most of what you learn in school is "impractical" (for lack of a better word). no one is going to test you on this stuff in the real world and most of it you will not use on a day-to-day basis. if you're being constantly exposed to new thoughts and ideas, though, you will use this material, and often in surprising ways. however, if you dont read very much (see previous point) and if you dont have the critical analysis skills to pull interesting ideas out of the media you consume (as claimed in the article), well...

this is very long and probably not very original! however as a recent grad i still have strong feelings on the school system that shaped me, many of them negative. i really hope we can change it for the better, and soon.

I teach kids to program. It's a mostly self-guided course that contains step-by-step instructions on how to build a program and understand what it does. I can't say the curriculum is perfect and it's definitely something that warrants having an actual teacher there to clear up misunderstandings and explain topics better. But it works.

There are a few kids who need screenreaders. Some of them are still learning English and need the reader to understand it, which I get. Some are dyslexic so screen reading actually lets them absorb the material. Understandable. One of them can clearly read but refuses to make progress without the screen reader. I'd like to help them actually read and absorb the material how it's intended. But my boss says I have to just let them use the screen reader.

And then there's the comprehension. Some of them will go through all the instructions and just... Miss entire paragraphs. I don't know exactly why but they'll be extremely frustrated about it not working, and I'll come over and the problem will be that they skipped the instructions, decided they could build the game without them, refused to actually do the reading, or just... Didn't thoroughly read.

I've also had students who simply refuse to follow the instructions. They could read, but they just want someone to tell them exactly what to do to make the thing work. Even in sections designed to let them experiment and gain a deeper understanding of how the code works, they just want to get told exactly what to do. One of them, I know, has a mom who is very exacting about their progress. She tries to "supplement" our teaching to her child when she sees the child hasn't made good progress in a session.

And this makes it difficult to do my job. Bosses and parents and my own inexperience mean I struggle constantly to get my students to actually do the reading. To consider what the text of the instructions say, to experiment outside of the box. Even if they know one way to do things, sometimes the point is to learn a different way. And if they simply ignore that, what's left?

Honestly, I don't know much of what to do. But I do try to get them to read. I try to engage them about written media that I know they enjoy or may have interest in. And who knows, maybe that'll help. But they need to learn to enjoy reading.

I've also had students who simply refuse to follow the instructions. They could read, but they just want someone to tell them exactly what to do to make the thing work. Even in sections designed to let them experiment and gain a deeper understanding of how the code works, they just want to get told exactly what to do. One of them, I know, has a mom who is very exacting about their progress. She tries to "supplement" our teaching to her child when she sees the child hasn't made good progress in a session.

when this happened to me it was that I was lacking some fundamental that was explained in like two sentences that I missed, and I had no idea how to explain it because I never made the right logical leap because whatever it was didn't jump out at me as important and I had focused on something else.

I don't know how to fix that really, outside of maybe like, going to learnXinYminutes.com, finding your language and harvesting-converting the up-to-now bits of it into a vocab list / glossary / cheat sheet for students, so they aren't having to do recall on things the don't know well yet while also trying to learn. It's extra work, though.