Takel

@takelgryph

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Cybersecurity gryphon, leftist, pansexual disaster, creator of @pokemonoftheday. Old enough to complain about back pain.

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Takel @takelgryph12/27/2023, 9:59 AM

Shel @shel

Shel @shel12/21/2023, 10:45 PM

I have been wokescolded on reddit by a cisgender for making a very mild joke about brandon sanderson transitioning because someone made a mistake and used she/her pronouns for him in a meme, and they keep trying to say I'm transphobic for it and I keep asking them how it's transphobic and they keep talking about how the trans community is under attack so it's just in really poor taste to joke about someone transitioning

and like wow do cisgender people just see us as like, some sort of inherent tragedy that can never be joked about? Do they see transition as something bad that happens to is and shouldn't be made light of like domestic abuse or car accidents?

I see transition as something beautiful and wonderful and worth celebrating. I joke about it constantly. We all joke about it. It just never occurred to me that there are cisgender people who see themselves as our allies but see our existence as something sad. Like Autism Moms who "raise awareness" about the tragedy of autism. Like as if transitioning is a disease we've come down with and not a divine gift that allows us to recreate ourselves into something new and amazing.

Sometimes you leave your bubble a bit and encounter alien creatures you don't know what to make of.

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in reply to @shel's post:

@deafhobbit12/21/2023, 11:06 PM

this has enormous "person who's a trans ally in principle but has never once interacted with a trans person" energy

FILE NOT FOUND @estradialup12/21/2023, 11:10 PM

A lot of people basically see being trans as equivalent to living with HIV - it's something you manage medically, and that's soooo inspirational, but you're also untouchable. Something else that happens is that it's treated as a form of separatism, where there's this odd pseudo-culture of total insulation where peas and carrots can't touch.
Liberals have also basically 1:1 moved their old homophobia and misogyny over to anti-trans "jokes" about the Deviant Feminine, though, and that chauvinism is pretty constant via a lot of liberal culture. I can also see how people would be snippy or overreact, especially if their primary exposure to transness is online doom and gloom. There's certainly enough of that to go around.

Shawn @shawndrape12/21/2023, 11:23 PM

I don't think tragedy has anything to do with it, personally. I would avoid jokes* about transitioning solely because it's tied to identity of people and it's not an identity I share.

I think many are given this kind of feedback by seeing high profile instances of "punch down humour" where minorities are the butt of a joke rather than a minority experience being the topic of a joke, and they take the wrong takeaway of "identity jokes bad" without considering the nuance of power dynamics in jokes, if the joke resonates with the community that has that experience, etc. It's just safer to keep one's nose out of it (especially if humour isn't a priority for you). 🤷

All that said, it's beyond the pale to "wokescold" (never heard the term, but like it) someone for a minor joke like that. I could never.

*I guess one exception to this would be a "yeet the teet" party we threw for a friend before their surgery but it was one of those "if he's cool with it, it's just going on an invite" kinda things

soni @soniportal12/21/2023, 11:24 PM

they're treating transition like 9/11

HornyEmmy @Emmy-C91312/21/2023, 11:26 PM

And honestly Brandon Sanderson would have loved the original joke, so what’s their problem?

legitimate dolphin @rngDolphins12/21/2023, 11:34 PM

I know my transition sure was a joke

fingerguns

🌷 doodlemancy 🌷@doodlemancy12/22/2023, 3:18 AM

i think you're spot on. and i think it's probably a product of lack of exposure to trans people and also having never really thought about their own relationship to gender very hard or seriously. they still don't see being trans as a normal thing to be so they can't be normal about it.