tati

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trans. cyborg. hermit-lite. 30ish. script kitty.


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one thing ive noticed about cohost is that a lot of users see cohost as a “leftist” site or as a rejection of a parallel posting culture (the anti-twitter, trans tumblr, anarchist livejournal, tech-skeptic mastodon, woke 4chan, etc [whichever you were a part of]). whether a blog hosting service can be leftist or not seems like an odd consideration. i get that some of it comes downhill from the assc manifesto but, idk, being critical of how the tech industry operates and trying to do it different doesn’t automatically make the website “leftist”. it’s an llc. i guess its “leftist” in the sense that it appeals to left leaning people by the content that it encourages and forbids, in the way twitter appeals to fascists because of what it allows and forbids. maybe its leftist in the sense that there are many incompatible utopian ideals of what the site is meant to be and debating those ideas is a kind of uniting sport.

the second thing, the idea that cohost is meant to be all the good parts about social media and none of the bad parts is a little harder to source. i think some of it is a little bit of narrativizing how you ended up on cohost (if you left twitter because it got real transphobic then it makes sense to envision cohost as a trans-positive, less vitriolic twitter) and some of it has to do with interpreting the design choices. once you notice that the site has consciously not implemented some of the dark patterns that big tech social media relies on, it invites you to consider why. but i think this is primarily a product of its novelty. i think a good analogy is when a new tool or framework gets released in the javascript ecosystem. for a couple of years you’re seeing it exclusively in terms of how it fixed the awkward parts of a previous tool. but then once you’ve stopped using the old stuff for a while, when its sort of faded from your memory, that’s when the real shape of the new tool becomes visible.

personally the lack of visible metrics is really great for me. i have to mod my games to edit out that kind of information because otherwise “number go up” eats my brain. also the no terfs allowed policy is nice. i kind of think of it like a more ephemeral livejournal.


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we will say, like, we were at two degrees of separation from every single one of the people who made it even before we came here, and it was pitched to us as a leftist site, and the rhetoric on the llc's page does express a commitment to ideals we share

we were skeptical from the start that any hierarchical power structure, let alone a for-profit one, is going to do any better than the rest at this stuff in the long run. we still are, but we're glad it's lasted this long and we hope it lasts a while longer.

anyway we do take your point about not projecting our experience and motivations on the site's creators, but it's not like that's unknowable either

we will say, like, we were at two degrees of separation from every single one of the people who made it even before we came here, and it was pitched to us as a leftist site

This is some context I was not aware of! That explains why some people think it is. I didn’t even consider that was a possibility. I thought it was more a description of the vibes.

anyway we do take your point about not projecting our experience and motivations

I feel like I must have given off the wrong impression, I was just trying to explore how people could arrive at those ideas. Narrativizing isn’t bad. You are right, the site’s creators are around, so they could clarify if asked.

i don’t really know what people meant, that’s why i’m thinking through the possibilities. if what people mean by leftist site is that its run by leftists then that makes sense.

i was thinking people were describing the culture, or the people it appeals to, but it was unclear to me.

yeah fair, i think people do sometimes say it as like, an observation about the crowd they tend to see in their feeds. but on cohost especially, that's just who ya followed. this place is getting big enough now that you can't count on some sort of leftish vibe from a random user anymore but at one time it seemed like you could

I hopped on back at the start and I think as others have said, that's kind of how the staff laid it out in their initial pitches to people. For me, I try not to mythologize too much about the stated intentions from multiple years back, because I think as different groups came to cohost, the site culture has shifted and changed.

New groups bring new expectations and assumptions, some of which they get from observation, other bits they get from other people describing the site as it used to be, and as they continue to see it. Like back when I first joined, I'd say it was a lot more reminiscent of old twitter - a nice mix of art, photography, retro computing, nature stuff, animals, bit of game dev, and a ton of people talking about how they like it more than twitter.

Now I think it's much more diverse in viewpoints, and has been for a few years now. Because I had a smaller network of mostly people I knew from discord/IRL I followed, if you'd asked me six months after the site launched what it was like, I'd say cohost was mostly a site for shitposting and people's hiking photos, because that's p much all I'd ever see. Now I'd describe it as less hiking, plenty of shitposting still, but also lots of serious discourse and debate going on. Whether that's actually true, or the mutuals I've picked up along the way are more interested in having serious discussions about heavy topics now, I can't really say though!

I like the evolution, even if some of the tone leads to more serious reflection now and less of me just posting pics every week when I go hiking.