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invertigo hayfever @the-doomed-posts-of-muteKi2/13/2024, 5:36 PM

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abadidea @0xabad1dea2/13/2024, 5:05 PM

EDIT: PRELIMINARY RESULTS:

after consulting with our finest scientists, we have come to the conclusion is that what's likely going on is how many frames it takes to access the flash differs, which alters how far in the (buggy, nonrandom) random stream Emerald is when it attempts to randomize the gender. Hence, for a given cartridge/console combo or given emulator, it will tend to be either all boys or all girls. (Sounds like all boys is more common.)

INCREDIBLY SPECIFIC REQUEST: do you have a real, normal Pokemon Emerald cartridge and a way to boot it? Please power it on, wait several seconds for the player character to appear on a bike, and note their gender. Power the device off and back on and do this several times, at least 5. Please tell me: how many boys, how many girls, what language your cartridge is in, and what platform you booted it on (original gameboy advance, gba sp, nintendo ds, whatever)

I am asking this because I am observing the behavior in emulator that Ruby/Sapphire correctly randomize the player gender but Emerald always picks girl (which is what I expected because its rng seeding is buggy). However, there are recordings of the Emerald opening on youtube that show a boy. Presumably this is caused by emulator differences, but I really want to know which reflects the game on real hardware.

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Mr. Hands @mrhands2/13/2024, 5:19 PM

I'm charging my GBA, and I will let you know!

Fuura @Fuura2/13/2024, 5:58 PM

Tested ten times on a bought new, near release copy of Emerald (AGB-BPEE-USA) in English with no save file and a dead battery, on an unmodified GBA SP (AGS-001). All ten times were a girl. Made a save file with a boy and tested once and got a boy on the bike in the intro. Deleted save and got a girl again.

Lotte 'just an idiot' May @LotteMakesStuff2/13/2024, 6:03 PM

did it 5 times on a European gameboy micro with a European copy of the game (AGB-BPEP-EUR). boy trainer all 5 times. the cart has a save with a girl trainer, and the battery is dead

tertu marybig @tertu2/13/2024, 6:12 PM

It looks like if the battery is dead emerald will interact with the clock slightly differently as well? I don’t know if that would take enough time to make a difference though

linear cannon @linear2/13/2024, 6:18 PM

wife and i sat down and did some testing.

using an authentic Japanese Emerald cart, battery replaced by me in 2019 but seems to have died again. save file is a boy:
on GBA: 5 boys
on DS Lite: 5 boys

same cartridge, deleted save file:
on DS Lite: 5 girls

with a new save file, as a girl.
on GBA, 4 boys
on DS Lite, 3 boys

with the same game cartridge dumped and running on an EZFlash Omega Definitive Edition, new save file as a boy:
on GBA, 3 boys, 1 girl??
on DS Lite, 3 boys.

with empty save file:
on GBA, 5 girls.

with a new save file, as a girl:
on GBA, 3 boys.
on DS Lite, 3 boys

abadidea @0xabad1dea2/13/2024, 6:28 PM

the revelation that the inconsistent hardware timings of flash carts work around Emerald's broken RNG is very funny

leigh @cindervision2/13/2024, 7:32 PM

My wife just tested her US copy of Emerald on her GBA SP and she gets all boys, both when turning it off and on and when soft resetting. (She also says that soft resets reinitialize the RNG, so this tracks.)

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