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feybeasts
@feybeasts

The Nazis were incompetent criminals whose mythical reputation in warfare is wholly unearned, and whose utter incompetence was on display constantly. You should mock their drug-addled stupidity at every turn.


NireBryce
@NireBryce

a lot of documentaries use literal nazi military propaganda films as b-roll, the fighters and tanks never ran that well under battle conditions


Xylaria
@Xylaria

like 90% of the "competency" of the Nazis can be boiled down to first mover advantage and surprise.

they were successful in France because France built up defenses against a WWI-style campaign, never dreaming that the Nazis would take an entire army around a flank. Once the Nazis faced the slightest bit of resistance, they got wiped out in a hurry.

Poland and Austria essentially didn't have the ability to fight back. The Nazis just bullied them.

Their "success" in northern Africa was the same - no one dreamed they'd fight that far away, so Rommel had his stomping grounds for a while before someone actually fought him, and then it went to hell.

And well, the eastern front was a legendary disaster. The Nazis hit an almost entirely unprepared Soviet Union that had exactly one thing - fucktons of manpower. And that manpower won, simple as.

The Nazis were bullies, but they were piss-poor tacticians, absolutely incompetent at maintaining equipment or supply lines, wasted money on terrible pet projects that went nowhere, failed to recognize the advantage technology would have in the war until it was too late, and were generally blinded by ideology to anything that could have helped their cause.

The Nazis should be insulted at every possible turn, and treating them like they were anything but a fucktastic clown show is an insult.


Behemoth
@Behemoth

Always a good time to bust out this classic bit from Umberto Eco's essay UR-FASCISM:

The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies. When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.

(Emphasis mine)


DecayWTF
@DecayWTF

People will gas up the Nazis and at the same time continue to spread discredited anti-socialist propaganda - mostly sourced from the Nazis - about Soviet strategy and actions. Liberals, man.


-pegasus
@-pegasus

it's funny because there are plenty of (not intended for public consumption) reports that nazis sent back to berlin like "we've found hundreds of factories and railway lines not on the maps we were supplied, and when we get there the railway sleepers are all sawn apart and the factories are empty with dust outlines around where the machinery was and a note saying 'better luck next time hans' ", and yet all we hear is that they were unprepared. come the fuck on



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in reply to @feybeasts's post:

the sick thing to realize is we live in an age where many powerful and influential figures do not understand the difference between the two

you look at the situation with genAI, where "progress" is measured entirely in ego-stroking terms rather than actual factuality and utility, and you can draw a direct line from there to the kind of mindset that argues "but the Nazis had some good points; they were efficient!"

look at Donald Trump and Elon Musk, who cannot understand there is a difference between "what they want" and "what they actually have"; they assume anything they might actually want is theirs already, the "getting" is just details they can elide by shouting loud enough

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in reply to @DecayWTF's post:

My Nazi bugbear is people (Americans, mostly) writing off World War II France as cheese-eating surrender monkeys, when in reality the surrender to the Nazis was French leadership (Petain) throwing the country under the bus. The French Resistance did everything in their power to fight the Nazis...but they were communists, so they need to be disappeared from the popular narrative (America unilaterally saving Europe from the Nazis once the former decided to join the War).

Oh sure. The French resistance is elided, the Yugoslav partisan resistance is elided, the various resistance movements in the Norway and Sweden are elided, and of course the Red Army is condemned as (unprepared|a slave army somehow|actually on the side of the Nazis?!) because the US has to be the Big Fucking Heroes

It just hit me that one of the reasons this narrative persists into the modern day is because it has to if the liberal narrative about political change and progress is going to have any meaning. For the liberal, because we've already achieved the ideal social order, the best or only way to address grievances is through the existing powers, which we can trust to deliver justice. The downside with this narrative is the Nazi era totally undermines this, no matter where you look at it: the institutions of the day were quick to sell the masses out to the Nazis across Europe, and militant resistance - not even protest, which could be co-opted after the fact, but armed and organized resistance - proved an effective means of reversing that trend.

Only too late do I realize I had enough material for a post.