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Weeb, book enthusiast, amateur artist. Dabbles in a lot of things.


ellaguro
@ellaguro

starting to think about how people of a certain age grew up with 2010's media where like being seen as a "gatekeeper" or a "hipster" was like, the ultimate boogeyman sin. the sign that you are a bad person. there's this terror at the idea that you would display your taste in media to indicate anything. this coincides with the growing power of fandoms and the waning influence of a lot of traditional media. also a reaction against a lot of things that were clearly bad and had reached their end point at the time. but now it feels like it's just this odd compulsive fear people have - "no, don't worry!! i'm not like one of them!! i have friends, i like pop culture!!"

as a result there's this like, reflexive fear about ever alienating other people or making them ever feel left out of the conversation. online media has increasingly coalesced to speaking as if it is directed at the largest possible audience now, even when it is niche. people are terrified of alienating other people by taking concrete or fundamentally unpopular positions. no one wants to get into these arguments constantly, so we have almost a load-bearing cultural force of intense and frankly extremely unhealthy relationships with online content creators and pop figures. to go against this is to cause people to spontaneously weep - you're being a hipster!! how dare you, don't you know that's the worst possible thing you could be!! to fight against this tide is to face the wrath of so many people, which is far too great for one person.

so that's the reality we're in now - where being a fan is always good, but being a "gatekeeper" is always bad. regardless of whether or not the people who present themselves as "fans" are actually far more powerful than the people who are seen as being gatekeepers or "insiders" now - it doesn't matter. it's just the identity you perform, and the emotional buttons it hits inside people. don't question how manipulative this whole thing might be!! i'm too weepy to think about it!!


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i always read the negative "hipster" stereotype as being someone who was into something obscure, and "pretentious" (lordy is that a baggagey word with a lot of bullshit orbiting around it, in this frame of discourse), and not actually good just this kind of inauthentic (yet authenticity-claiming) pose that is intended to convey superiority - the villainous heel gatekeeper. it seems very easy now to pick what was really going on with the propagation of that image: it's an anti-intellectual, anti-art attitude, pro-conformity way to punch back at, and make ridiculous, anyone who's outside of the mainstream.

jon voight puts in a sterling performance as snooty critic lord carruthers fostington iii in "tidepod! the movie". he plans to write a law which would make youngsters all over the world have to eat foie gras instead of delicious, memeable tidepods but is shot by a bullet that seems to come from an empty room bc all the youtubers due to cameo in the big climax ended up charged with organ trafficking by the time it hit post-prod and had to be edited out of the shot by people making $3.50 an hour. it sends a strong message about it being ok to like things.

I remember way back in late 2011/early 2012 having conversations with my brother about how very often "Hipster" is being used as a way to discourage people from openly caring about something very specific.

There's a point where this kind of attitude could flip over into gatekeeping, but caring about, and being interested in specific things is no immediately that.