rosieposie
@rosieposie

in light of much discussion about the ways the internet has changed: be mindful of reactionary inclinations blooming within you. things might have gotten worse, but that doesnt mean the way things used to be was all that great either.

listen. club penguin had microtransactions for children in 2005. geocities stuck a stupid ass watermark on everyones sites and then blew itself up. if you think startups raising a bajillion dollars before earning even a cent of profit and then tanking is a recent affliction, i hate to burst your dotcom bubble, but um, look up the dotcom bubble? lol

i have been the 1 millionth visitor all my life. the internet has always been a bit shit. its ok. we can make a better internet without returning to the past.


thewaether
@thewaether

I think one of my main memories of the 2000s internet was also a real "boys club" atmosphere- there were memes like "tits or GTFO" and "there are no girls on the internet" and basically the threat of sexualisation and cyberbullying from all these points on the internet and I remember the first major pushback against it being that wave of online feminism around 2013 and 2014, to which "gamergate" was an explosive reaction in response to.

I feel like we wouldn't have the internet as it exists today without those things happening- and I think that wave of feminism has allowed for way more of these female-orientated and gay spaces to foster on the internet, while the reaction to it has lead to the nerdy internet dividing into two sides

...before any of this though, the internet was a mostly horrible place to be. I said a while back "elon musk would've been considered smart on the old internet", because it was genuinely that fucking bad most of the time


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There are people who adamantly believe that the internet used to be a much nicer place and it baffles me. Like... I was on Tumblr when Bad Art Blogs were a thing. It used to be socially acceptable for adults to repost some random kid's art so that their followers could tear it to shreds. Nobody thought that was weird or over the line.

yeah, community-wise, nowhere was ever perfect. todays fediverse drama was yesterdays forum flame wars, etc etc. but like, i didn't know someone could Be Trans until i watched orange is the new black. getting called a faggot (derogatory) online and offline was just the norm everywhere all the time. and now, like, Gamers Say Trans Rights. i actually do not want to go back to the 2000s

Felt. When I first started becoming Online as a young teenager, I saw the word "autistic" being used as an insult far more than I saw it being used to refer to the actual disorder. It put a solid dent in my self esteem, but that's just how things were. Nowadays, the overall general culture has shifted more towards generally promoting acceptance and dispelling stigma, which I 100% welcome.

True. I at least think that mainstream internet culture at large is starting to understand that there are a few lines that should not be crossed, even if toxic behavior still proliferates.

i won't pretend the internet used to be kinder, but i think a lot of people conflate meanness at smaller scale with kinder. in the forum days, there were definitely still e.g. nazis, but it was like... your local nazi, for lack of a better term? instead every nazi who saw the famous nazi's dunk retweet showing up in your replies.

absolutely true. the global hate campaigns that spawn out of twitter are, like, unprecedented levels of shitty.

i do think nowadays there are a lot less 'free speech both sides'ers running communities at least, so you dont see the one local nazi in, eg, cohost. that one thread about kicking nazis out of bars had... well, global and unprecedented reach, which is a bit ironic. that might literally be twitters most positive impact on the world

i hate to burst your dotcom bubble, but um, look up the dotcom bubble? lol

This is something I immediately noted in the "oh everything was so much better online in the late 90s!" nostalgia wave. All the examples of "the internet in the late 90s" were from 2004.

The dotcom crash was nearly identical today. Everything went to shit and suddenly wanted you to pay.

i thought the dotcom bubble was more commonly known about but a lot of what i've seen with the 90s/2000s nostalgia seems to say otherwise. the whole 'get a bunch of market share and then figure out how to be profitable' financial fallacy is so ingrained in the internet that we are right now talking on a dotcom that failed because they literally tried to do that 20 years after the bubble burst

which is especially funny because their manifesto points out how dumb that shit is and they went for it anyway

The one thing that the 90s did actually have over the current moment was functional search that let you find non-corporate pages through anything besides word-of-mouth.

And much less seo-spam garbage clogging the system up.