tinyvalor

will never have the shoes

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i think i decided on my goal for dota 2. i want to finish the all hero challenge one time. raising mmr is a lame goal and one that just makes you mad at everything. the all hero challenge is an incentive to sincerely try and learn a bit about everything while utilizing your fundamentals in the game. you get assigned heroes in order. when you finish one the game tells you your next one. i'm probably going to write a bit about each one (or most of them) since it'll be a fun way to talk about the game and the heroes. gonna make each post a reply to this one and also tag it with "d2ahc" and "[hero name] (dota)" in case anyone wants to find these later for some reason. technically i started this years ago and forgot about a couple of the early ones...

i'll probably also try and get in some games with my favs from time to time in the middle still. especially bc i've still gotta figure out how you can win with morphling. i think he's the #1 hardest hero in the game to play...

i've always liked playing everything, in fighting games too. being so close to competitive scenes kinda beats that out of you unless you really play only one game and are really smart, which does not describe how i feel about myself in fighting games. but maybe this'll teach me something about that. i'd like if it did. but the first one i got...is "wisp"


wisp/io is one of the greatest heroes in dota. probably the closest to the total gimmick guys in hots, and certainly something i feel like you'd never see in league of legends. three of its spells are based around playing next to somebody for basically the whole game, buffing them up so they become about twice as good (while you're about 40% of a real hero or so). on one hand, this means you have no choice but to go down with the ship. on the other hand, when you have a good game, you get to enable your buddy to enact the ultimate beatdowns. there's some meme builds that have arisen in recent years where you make your buddy a neutral enemy during the midgame instead so you can farm up and become unkillable while vomiting disgusting amounts of spell damage on enemies and then link up with one of your teammates later so both of you are stupid strong, but that takes a lot more learning than just waiting till you get a game where your carry isn't an idiot.

and frankly, i think it's fun. i like dota healers more than i like final fantasy 14 healers these days, and pushing down the game super quick because your carry is twice as strong as he's supposed to be is super fun. io is a relatively easy hero to mess up with, though you can mostly avoid that by just not clicking on relocate (its ult, where you and the person you're attached to teleport somewhere else; you get yanked back after a bit) unless it's a total slam dunk or a "well i can't make it worse" save opportunity

not much to say about the games though. after a couple losses i got one where i combined with a troll and we killed everyone. wow.


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there's some meme builds that have arisen in recent years where you make your buddy a neutral enemy during the midgame

I briefly misinterpreted this as transforming your buddy into a creep mob and while I have no idea how that would work I think it’s an awesome concept.

yeah, that should've been phrased the other way around. and i say it's a meme but it got banned for basically an entire international because ana won one game playing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B15PEmjpmeA

this year that happened again with dark willow, whose ult has virtually no item counters (so if your draft can't hit unclickable enemies with stuns or lots of spell damage you eventually can't kill her), though in retrospect she only actually won one game and most of the others she didn't get strong enough or made one mistake and lost. there's a good chunk of supports with disgusting carry potential but they tend to be a lot riskier since they suck at making money unless you're killing people all the time or have your team buying you 40 minutes to use midas and right click creeps

It’s super interesting how games like DOTA build this enormous edifice of interlocking rules and then base their characters around “except not that”. It feels like they inevitably have to build in more and more exceptions, like the “character has 0 stat” ones you were talking about else where in the thread. I think that’s a cool design direction and love hearing about the wild ways they’ve found to break everything.

This actually reminds me that I was thinking about Yuumi in league, who's kind of a similar design, but universally hated because her whole thing is that she attaches to a carry and becomes untargetable/immune to everything. Like...when I played there was no real cooldown on it too, and you could just hop between people on your team pretty freely. and obviously there have been various meme builds/dev unintended things of the kind league devs and players really hate where she just attaches to a tank and blasts out spell damage, through the game's history, but for the most part I just think she's...boring to play. I tried to like playing her because people hate her, but not making a mistake and dying is kind of fundamental to the fun of playing a support and she removes a lot of that risk, even if it's obviously correct to jump off and auto them in a lot of situations.

Wisp is cool though, even though I never really got to play it back when I played dota.

yeah a lot of the fun is definitely the robust nature of support items and stuff in dota. plus relocate, which even though it's scary as hell to press, is a total rush

also the invincibility thing just sounds dumb, i think part of why people do like wisp is because there's fucked up counters like grimstroke, witch doctor, and lich, and the general push/pull of "yeah i'm weak, come and get me." overcoming that kind of shit is awesome