two

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pawmmunism
@pawmmunism asked:

do u have advice for people interested in linux but not very tech literate ;-; i know how to like. copy paste commands into the windows powershell and that's about it but I am very intrigued by the fish tank.. I would very much like a fish tank.. How hard is it to migrate applications/downloads from windows to linux?

I'm probably not the right person to ask about this because I've used linux for, in real time, maybe about 50 hours. I'm only used to using the command line for stuff because I did a lot of this on mac, and mac's terminal is basically the same thing. Though I recognise that "use macos for several years before trying linux" is not actually the most helpful advice.

The other thing is that the specific linux thing I'm using to get the fishtank cube is a bit janky and not the most user-friendly, and there might be other options that are easier, but Compiz (which provides the effect) is kind of old and not really used as much anymore. Like, I couldn't install Steam by downloading it off the website because it would only download a Debian version, so I went to install it off flathub (allegedly the "linux app store"), but for some reason this version of fedora doesn't come with flatpak (program that does the installation of stuff from flathub) so I had to install that, and there were four apparently identical versions of flatpak to choose from, and I chose wrong and got a cursed version of flatpak that seemed to work but actually thought flathub had no apps in it, which I thought was a problem with flathub. The solution was to install flatpak from the command line instead of the gui, which made it automatically pick the right version. And then I could install Steam. (Also if you want to play windows games on linux on steam you gottta go into the properties for each game and turn on "force the use of a specific compatibility tool", but that's the same for every linux).

Although I'm googling this now and there is apparently a version of ubuntu that uses MATE, and that lets you install and use compiz. Everybody recommends ubuntu for first time linux users because it's meant to be easy, so that is probably a better idea. I don't know for sure, I've never tried it.

Anyway, migrating files is just a matter of putting them on an external drive or someplace else you can access them and copying the files over from within linux. Applications are harder; linux can run (most) windows applications with a program called "Wine", which often surprises me by how good it is; any portable applications you have (i.e .exe file sitting in folder instead of stuff you had to run an installer for) can probably just be copied over and run as normal. Everything else you've got to reinstall, either with Wine or preferably by downloading a native linux version (which isn't always available). Ubuntu-mate apparently has a "software boutique" which has the ability to install an app store-ish program just called "Software". No idea why they set it up like that. But hopefully it should more or less work. In any case expect the process of installing all the applications you want and getting them set up properly to take like, a day. And some programs (notably adobe creative cloud and microsoft office programs) just will not work on linux, unfortunately. There will almost always be an alternative (like "libreoffice"), but it might not be quite as good as you're used to.

On the subject of the command line, if you can paste commands into powershell you can paste them into bash!* But it helps to get a feel for how the command line works and how to use it. There are a million tutorials for this, here's my favourite. If you want to practice on windows you can install the "windows subsystem for linux", which gives you access to a genuine linux terminal within windows you can play with. You probably won't have to use the command line all that often, but it is useful. Imagemagick is a great program for basic image editing and it's command-line only, for example.

Also a couple things about installing linux. The general process is, you download an iso file for the linux you're installing, you use "Balena Etcher" or something to put it on a usb stick, you turn off your computer, you turn it back on while holding the button that lets you select what drive to boot from (this varies by what model of computer you have, you can probably google it), you select the usb stick, and then you have a "live session" of the thing you're installing. You haven't installed it yet but you get to test it out almost as if you have, which I highly recommend. Oh wait they actually have a guide for installing and everything else, that's nice. The second thing is that you can partition your hard drive so it has both windows and linux on it, and then you can just hold the button down again to pick which one you want when you turn your computer on. (hint: if the linux installer sucks and won't shrink the windows volume for you, use "aomei partition assistant" from windows, i know it looks like a scam and i think it is somehow but it does at least work). I extremely recommend this, because it means if for whatever reason you need to abandon linux you have an easy way out, and if there's anything that you need windows for you can still use it. And doing it this way means you won't necessarily wipe all your files when installing it. You still might though, so you really should make a backup to an external drive first just in case.

Ok that's everything I can think of. I wish you the best of luck!

*errata: to be clear I mean that pasting things is the same skill for both, not that powershell commands work in bash


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in reply to @two's post:

yea i started using linux in like, 2008? so i have the exact opposite perspective lol, I'm not really sure how to start but it's like, comfortably in my life at this point if that makes sense.

it is very much a thing of some things will be easier, some things will be much much harder, and you kind of don't know which is which until you run into problems. Anything hobby related, like pro audio or emulation or drawing tablets or even making your desktop look funky, you'll have a ton of fun and interesting options. but seemingly mundane stuff like printing or connecting to an external display is pretty awful. and yeah there's like a billion different ways to install applications and you have to internalise them all (do i want this from the package manager, do I want an appimage or flatpak, do I want it from source/the language package manager, who knows?)

I used to have a dual boot setup, but I found over time that restarting my computer was too much of a hassle so now I've settled on windows on the desktop 100% of the time (need this for work), and my laptop runs arch. Maybe the only advice I'd give on this front is give yourself a Reason(tm) to be using linux, otherwise just using the thing you already have will be a bit too easy to fall back on(I actually had the opposite problem when I needed to switch to windows for work!). install it on a media/secondary PC or something for 100% of the time, that way when you need it, you also need to put up with using linux to get that thing done.

In terms of file sharing, linux can read and write to windows partitions, but not the other way around. so if you have like a "movies/other big downloads" hard drive you can actually just leave that as-is and use it on both OSs.

Huh, the file sharing thing is new to me - I was under the impression that linux generally couldn't read from windows devices (something about the formats being "proprietary"?). But maybe I'm just remembering the slightly confusing process of formatting a hard drive so both mac and windows can read it. And in my experience printing is a nightmare in both mac and windows so I'm now somewhat worried about how linux could possibly make it any worse!

Having a reason is good advice I think. Much of my experience with linux was trying it out on my old laptop but then ultimately going back to mac after a short time; I expect to stick with it now because the only alternative on this new laptop is windows 11 which I have no experience with and kind of dislike.

re: hard drives, it should be as easy as opening up the gnome "disks" application and picking a mount point for it (unless the disk is encrypted? but i don't remember enough about it to speak with any kind of authority lol)

and I'll leave you to discover printer fun times for yourself ;-)