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TuxedoDragon
@TuxedoDragon

i saw this article pop up in my search a few days ago and it got me really excited! so i'm sharing it with the rest of you critters on cohost!!

in short, there is concrete evidence that suggests 'conscious experience' can be observed in a much wider breadth of species than previously thought, including cephalopods, crabs, and insects! it also suggests that such conscious experience is likely present in all vertebrate species, bringing reptiles, amphibians, and fish into the fold alongside mammals and birds.

the findings are based on several studies, and are the backing for the New York Declaration on Animal Consciousness, unveiled at a one-day conference on the subject earlier in April, and signed by numerous experts in related fields.

and now, if you'll excuse me, i'm going to ramble a bit about the topic myself!


bytebat
@bytebat

rechosting to share this, but i would also like to take a moment to make the distinction between "consciousness", "sentience", and "sapience". i'm not trying to be a buzzkill (i love seeing news like this too!), nor am i implying you don't already know (i'm not an expert either), i just want to clarify for anyone reading this who might not know. we've known for some time that many kinds of creatures likely possess basic "consciousness", which just means that they are capable of having experiences. it's a much lower form of cognition than "sapience", which generally refers to the ability to use reason and metacognition (to know what you know, think about what you know, and think about how you think), and to be self-aware. "sentience" is kind of inconsistently defined and can mean various things along this spectrum.

this article and the events described within don't demonstrate any new breakthroughs or anything, it's primarily just about the Declaration[1] basically promoting the concept to an accepted theory - in the scientific sense of the word, with strong support from existing literature. i'm honestly surprised that it's taken this long for something like this to happen, considering we've been debating the presence of consciousness in plants since at least the 70's[2].

however, as far as i am aware, we don't yet have any evidence to support simpler animals such as insects displaying sapience, metacognition and self-awareness, something we have observed in say, corvids[3]. (i will take any opportunity to talk about how smart birds are) that being said, with the way things have been headed lately, i wouldn't be surprised to see evidence of this in the future. humans have never given animals enough credit.

lastly, i'd like to highlight this quote from the article, which seems especially relevant:

We have much more in common with other animals than we do with things like ChatGPT.

i do think it's safe to say that your average bumblebee displays more intelligence than ChatGPT.

citations below the break.


[1] Various Authors. The New York Declaration on Animal Consciousness. New York University. Apr. 19 2024. [link]

[2]: Nagel, A. Are Plants Conscious? Journal of Conscíousness Studies, 4, No. 3, 1997, pp. 215-30. [link] [archived]

[3] Begley, S. Brainiacs, not birdbrains: Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primarily human attribute. STAT News. Sept. 24, 2020. [link] [archived]


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in reply to @TuxedoDragon's post:

this is all really cool, but I'm also glad to hear someone else being like, "hey maybe we should consider being a little nicer to the critters we share this planet with! there are A Lot of them!" thank you for sharing :eggbug-smile-hearts:

in reply to @bytebat's post:

good good, excellent addition! i could've probably touched on the differences between those terms, but i got a little ahead of myself~

it's exciting seeing all the years of research and discussion coalescing into something like this declaration - it's another step in a road that stretches a long ways back and likely a long ways ahead!

anyways! just wanted to say thank you for the addition~

THE MOMENT i saw this i had the same thought(s) as you, I think, where i just went, "ohhhh boy people are gunna misunderstand this."

they really should have put that paragraph about phenomenal consciousness. right towards the top to explain to people exactly what was being proposed/discussed in it.