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cathoderaydude
@cathoderaydude

too drunk to make this cohesive

i hate how much work i put into my office job that's now worth nothing. thousands of problems solved in creative ways; all worth nothing. i walk out, i'm left with absolutely fuck-all. it doesn't matter that i was clever, it doesn't matter that i cut out hundreds of man-hours of work, it doesn't matter that i figured out how to write scripts that interfaced with our shitty systems to solve problems. nobody cares. none of it matters. i wasted ten years of my intellect. it went absolutely fucking nowhere.

every single job is like this. if you let your neurons turn on for even a second, you're being robbed of all the specialness the universe put into you. it'll all be drunk up by the company like a fucking sponge and then pissed away into nothingness the moment you leave. working hard is pointless. nobody will ever care that you did it unless you're an architect and what you make is so big that nobody can ignore it


queerinmech
@queerinmech

speaking as someone who has also had "architect" and other titles that put me into close contact with the C-suite and who has been credited with saving companies and being the hardest worker they have ever seen

the execs do not give one single fuck about us workers no matter the title or output when it comes down to it

while shit definitely rolls downhill just about everywhere, they do not even care about each other, they will hang their buddies out to dry in an instant if it makes their metrics slightly happier for the quarter

the whole system is so unrelenting toxic that literally no one is happy, not even the smarmy CEOs and puppetmaster VCs

they live in different plane of existence with access to the world's best healthcare and get unimaginable leeway and have comforts we cannot really conceive of

but they have trapped themselves in a circle of hell, scamming each other and spreading fear and doubt to exploit each other and falling for it every fucking time

i feel like i would be less furious if i felt like somebody was happy at the end of the day, but the reality is that multi-millionares are terrified and isolated and miserable all the time even if they have a loving partner and live in a big house on the beach

and that is infuriating

my point in so saying is that the system we live under benefits no one and needs to be dismantled to benefit us all - the practice of inequality ensures only the perpetuation of misery no matter what "superiority" promises - this is why intersectionality is so important!


SamKeeper
@SamKeeper

But the putting of labour-power into action – i.e., the work – is the active expression of the labourer's own life. And this life activity he sells to another person in order to secure the necessary means of life. His life-activity, therefore, is but a means of securing his own existence. He works that he may keep alive. He does not count the labour itself as a part of his life; it is rather a sacrifice of his life. It is a commodity that he has auctioned off to another. The product of his activity, therefore, is not the aim of his activity. What he produces for himself is not the silk that he weaves, not the gold that he draws up the mining shaft, not the palace that he builds. What he produces for himself is wages; and the silk, the gold, and the palace are resolved for him into a certain quantity of necessaries of life, perhaps into a cotton jacket, into copper coins, and into a basement dwelling. And the labourer who for 12 hours long, weaves, spins, bores, turns, builds, shovels, breaks stone, carries hods, and so on – is this 12 hours' weaving, spinning, boring, turning, building, shovelling, stone-breaking, regarded by him as a manifestation of life, as life? Quite the contrary. Life for him begins where this activity ceases, at the table, at the tavern, in bed. The 12 hours' work, on the other hand, has no meaning for him as weaving, spinning, boring, and so on, but only as earnings, which enable him to sit down at a table, to take his seat in the tavern, and to lie down in a bed. If the silk-worm's object in spinning were to prolong its existence as caterpillar, it would be a perfect example of a wage-worker.

--Marx, of course


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in reply to @cathoderaydude's post:

feel you on this

i was being managed out of my company by my favorite boss of my career because he was being pushed to bc i was underperforming due to long covid

he gave me a super clean way to just get out by bending rules and getting a little bit in trouble for me

but the fact that i definitely helped my company bill over $40m unbilled invoices in collaboration with an analyst last year meant nothing to our company's new overlords.

it doesn't matter how good you are at your job, they don't care, they just want number go up and nothing else matters because it's not quantifiable enough except when it is they ignore the data anyway

hope your next thing gets you everything you want and need

I had a good enough tech job before I got my current one that I sometimes think about that other life where I never changed careers and just lived there and did that indefinitely. and my career was going places, I was getting noticed for making useful and profitable software, but also, the company got bought a couple years after I left, and even the titans of aerospace aren't invulnerable to a new boss making bad decisions for his own perverse incentives

One of the few things that keeps me sane working in retail is the occasional nice feeling that I've helped someone directly. Even if it's just registers, I help them by being quick, friendly, not wasting their time, bagging their stuff if they want, etc.

It honestly makes sense that you see more depression in office jobs - there's now nobody to genuinely appreciate anything you're doing, just other employees who review your performance as a measure of cost/profit analysis of your existence, to them you are a number on a spreadsheet more than a valuable human being.

I lamented something like this with my previous machinist job, and I feel it a bit with my current assembly job as well- I just make little parts, then give them to someone else, and what happens to them is beyond me. Does the part I made to into a medical device that saves someone's life? Did it go into a military device that kills an innocent? Or did it fail qc and get thrown into a garbage can. Who knows! Not me.

I've straight up told my past few bosses that I'm here to get a salary for as little effort as possible because that is what the world requires me to do in order to continue to exist in any kind of comfort. I must be doing something "right" despite that considering I'm still employed here but I do feel like I'm just fading away and once I can't stay anymore life as I know it is probably over.

I feel this. I worked in web design for a big company for a long while and put so much effort into these major branding projects and stuff, and like genuinely felt proud of how nice the thing I made looked and worked. None of it exists anymore, except maybe on the Internet Archive, maybe. I spent a bazillion hours making neat little interactive Flash bits and pieces and character animations, which got much longer use before getting taken down, but also knowing Flash was pretty much terminal and that’d all be gone soon enough too. A solid chunk of my career exists only in screenshots that I took myself at home and I find that gutting in a weird way.

But just think of all the value you created for the shareholders!!!!!!!!!

Sometimes, I wish there was some feasible (and, uh, legal) way for me to nuke everything I was responsible for the moment when I’m pushed out the door. A fail-deadly self destruct mechanism to just wipe out every trace of my ever having been at the company. A real Joe Pesci “Ey, fuck me? Fuck YOU!” type arrangement.

yeah. in my first job in IT, there were a few things i put together that i was genuinely very proud of. we had a keypad entry system for one of our offices that worked really well and cost the company maybe £100 (ignoring my own labour) when an off the shelf system would’ve cost a Lot more. it was based around active directory (because everyone had an AD account and a phone extension) and mqtt. it had a simple web portal for managing your door code, that used single sign-on. it had out-of-hours alerting. it worked very well; i even designed a PCB to go into the off-the-shelf outdoors keypad I used, in case we expanded it.
when i first started at that job, setting a workstation up for a new employee was a day-long process; when I left it was a twenty-minute job regardless of how many you were setting up at once, and all the software and network access was set up with AD groups and OUs.
we had a server on the network that stored terabytes of old client data because they’d usually want reprints a year or more later, when I left it was a much smaller drive backed by amazon glacier for long-term archival and there was a little tool I built so that non-technical staff could self-serve restore the files from glacier.
we got a new phone system to replace the ageing cisco callmanager, and i put in the effort to figure out how to retain the autoconf stuff that the cisco hardphones had before, even though the new phone system emphatically Did Not Support Cisco Handsets.
it barely paid a living wage and i was stressed and angry 24/7 but god i haven’t felt anywhere near as competent in a role since.

it does not matter how hard you work, because when they decide it’s redundancy time, the only thing they look at is how much your salary is, not how much money you’ve saved the company, not how much labour you’ve automated, it sucks.

That was cohesive.
And coherent.
You did well, regardless of how well it was compensated or recognized at the time.
You're DOING even better now.
I'm really happy for you!
And I'm proud of you for learning from the experiences, & sharing that wisdom with others now.
THANK YOU for sharing the gift of your intellect & experience with us here & on YT now.
May any hangover be minimal & the recovery be swift & both sides of your pillow always be refreshingly cool.

This is the one place where doing manual labor is actually nice, every thought I have at my job is entirely for me and my bosses don't get to hear any of it unless I feel like sharing. I've gained about 15 pounds of muscle working here and that's the only reason I care about working hard. The company can fuck itself, they didn't nail down the part of exercise that makes my life better so I'm walking out the door with it every day. Then I remember the time this job sent me to the ER and realize that if I would like to continue being able to walk at age 45 I'm going to have to get a job like the one you describe and wow it hurts, thanks for putting it in words, at least I have a name for it now.

in reply to @queerinmech's post:

confirming rich people are awful bc they're miserable inside. i used to work for a millionaire in an extremely affluent area and got a pretty extensive survey of what the wealthy are like to the peons working service jobs. There is a small percentage who are pleasant and appear well adjusted but i could count those on the fingers of one hand out of the couple thousand I've met.

i might suggest that they are miserable instead because they are awful

they are taught that being awful is the only way to live, to succeed, to maintain power

and it is just a really shitty way to live, despite all the gold and glamour

Yeah, I don't envy them further than wishing I had enough money to be comfortable and have a bit of fun and help friends out. Obsessing about line go up and keeping up witht he joneses and whatnot that passes for socializing in their circles is utterly miserable.

oh sorry I didn't mean that the company would ever care. i just mean that if you literally build a skyscraper then probably your work will be appreciated after you quit, because it's hard not to. I mean, unless the landlords decide that it's more profitable to refuse to rent it out to anyone and force it to sit vacant for decades ^_^